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Neither PC nor Apple

Jul 31, 2005 2:08AM PDT

We found this forum quite by accident yesterday when looking for help in uninstalling Norton Internet Security 2005. You people were most helpful in dealing with that problem, so I wonder if you might share your wisdom regarding our quandry. We own both a PC (an old Gateway Astro that can not be upgraded) and a six-month old iBook (loaded with all the extras). We can't seem to make the leap to Apple and are wondering -- at this crossroad -- whether to turn back or go ahead.

First, you need to understand that my husband hates computers and only has one because he runs a small (one man) business and uses the machine to run Quickbooks to generate invoices and provide bookkeeping for his tax accountant. I enjoy using a computer to do research on the internet and to play Scrabble with the always-willing Mavin. We use dial-up because we can't justify broadband on our limited seniors' budget, and would be scared to death trying to deal with what that would mean.

We ran into trouble with our PC because of Norton Security. When we joined the world-wide web a few years ago, we did as we were told and bought Norton Internet Security. Between the dial-up and Norton, it would take 3 to 4 minutes to load a webpage. It certainly dampened the internet experience. When we upgraded Norton in 2004, the computer became unusable. We spent months trying to get the software off the machine. Friends told us to get an Apple: it was easy to use (true), the software always worked because it was made for the machine (mostly true), and you didn't need to worry about using Norton (sold!). We, who know nothing about computers, had a wireless home network up and running in two hours.

The downside of the Apple has been: all our files are on the PC so we lose the history in Quickbooks and Microsoft Money, and I can't read the LCD screen. I find I keep using the old Gateway CRT because my arthritic hands like the keyboard and my tired old eyes love the computer screen. We looked at the iMac but even the 20'' screen, though it is easy to see, didn't have the sharpness of our little Astro. But we're told all the new PC computer systems are coming with LCD screens. Sigh.

I figured I should again install an internet security package on the Astro if I were going to insist on using it to go on the internet. I consulted Consumer Reports (Wish I'd consulted this website!) and once again tried Norton for protection. The computer once again became unusable -- couldn't even get on the internet. But the good news is that it has led me to this forum for the computer-challenged. I see that there are some better options for internet security software on the PC so we might live happily with a PC on the internet -- which brings us to our quandry: to Apple or to PC?

We love the Apple because we have their protection plan, which means we have great support with people who speak fluent English (very important), and a system that is pretty easy for neophytes (also very important). But the reality is, we keep using the PC because the software is familiar and provides historical data (We thought we'd be able to convert the data, but haven't found a way.), some websites don't seem to work with the non-PC browsers, and the CRT screen and keyboard are easy on the hands and eyes.

Before we invest any more time and effort and money, we need to fish-or-cut-bait with the Apple. But if we do, can we buy a PC system (our new HP printer says our computer is lacking) with a CRT? and from someplace that can understand us? It was a nightmare trying to talk to the HP person who was trying to help us figure out what had gone wrong with our old printer; it became easier to buy an inexpensive new one. There have been computer businesses in our tiny town but they never last more than a year-and-a-half so we are reluctant to rely on a local shop to build us a computer. And we wouldn't know a competent computer person from a nincompoop.

Your insights would be most welcome. Thanks.

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It is amusing when the ignorant answer questions
Aug 5, 2005 9:35AM PDT

Deb,

As a dedicated PC and MAC user who has recently switched my wife's medical practice from PC to MAC [sorry PC philes, but I get exactly 1% of the troubleshooting calls on the MAC that I used to get on the PC, and I used to get about 2 a day on PC - and yes I use one professionally and know how to configure them - so nhyah]

Here is my advice. Purchase a product called 'move to mac.' for about $50. It establishes a P2P network between your PC and MAC and also contains software that converts files so they are compatable. The only probelm I had was in converting the Quicken and Quickbooks files, but there are service bulitins on these as well as information in the 'read me first' file with M2M.

I found the process painless [mostly] and not very time consuming.

Good luck.

PS - for those of you who are compulsive blog answerers, consider whether you have anything useful to say, before you type.

Jeff

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I am so glad you are happy with yourself
Aug 7, 2005 4:21PM PDT

What is a "bulitins", maybe a short form of your post.

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Having Used Both, I Prefer Mac
Aug 5, 2005 8:52PM PDT

Lots of good responses. I've been a computer user for over 30 years, bought my first personal computer (Apple IIc in 1984, went over to PC's in 1990, built many intel/amd based systems over the years for myself and colleagues, and in 2002 finally got tired of the winintel issues and went back to Apple, and haven't looked back.

I use computers both at home and at work. At work, the sytems are all Unix based because of reliability, robustness, and security. At home my systems are Apple - for the same reasons.

It has been said, both here, and in the media - "but PC's have so much more software". Probably true - but how many copies of chess/checkers/assorted games do you actually need? Also, as one poster pointed out, and I wholeheartedly agree - if it's games you want, buy a dedicated game machine, not a $1000 plus computer.

There is more than enough software for apple. If you want the best software package made - go with Microsoft Office for Mac. Microsoft Excel was originally written for Mac, not PC's. The entire office package for Mac really is integrated, and runs as it should. I have had up to two dozen programs open and running on my Mac, and have not had a crash - try that on a PC. Also, as far as software goes, a Mac out of the box has most of the software you will need or use. The newest version of OSX - Tiger, has its widgets feature, which are hundreds of tiny software applications that will do things only previously possible on TV fantasy shows - all free. Even if you don't run widgets, OSX has Sherlock, with its whole host of wonderful applications and features. Nothing like that in the PC world.

Mac comes with a built-in firewall - a Unix firewall. There is nothing in the PC world that compares to that in terms of security and reliability.

There is no spyware or adware for Mac. A definate plus.

There are no Mac viruses, because the Mac operating system is Unix, and Unix is difficult to write viruses for - especially for script kiddies.

I'm 52 and have "legacy eyes" so I too have a hard time seeing - but I can adjust the resolution of the screens on my Macs to my liking. I also have arthritis, but the Mac keyboards are no problem. As for mouse (mouses, mice, meese), I use logitech wireless - works wonderful on a Mac.

Did I mention, Mac is truely Plug-and-Play. Buy a piece of equipment, plug it in, the Mac finds it, loads it, and you are up and running. That is what a computer is suppose to do. Try that with a PC.

Software conversion - I had everything on PC up until 2002, then I went over to Mac. I ported what I needed over to Mac using flash drive, CD-RW, and network. I had no problems. I kept the PCs for a couple of years, but when they got to be a nuisance in the garage, they went to the Salvation Army. There is no problem moving information to a Mac. Definately not as challenging as moving information from an 8-inch format to a 5-inch format to a 3.5-inch format to a cd-format, or DOS to Windows 3.x to Windows 95 to Windows 98 to Windows Me to Windows Xp in the PC world - but those challenges are never addressed in the media.

I have just barely touched the surface on this query. I don't want to start a flame war on Mac versus PC. It all boils down to personal choice. Like I said earlier, I have used computers for over 30 years, and have built many different machines. I like Macs because of their reliability, security, ease of use, robustness, and long life span. I have never seen that in a PC.

Good luck on your decision.

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Go to the Mac Forums
Aug 5, 2005 11:10PM PDT

Hi,
You seem to be getting a load of information regarding your problem but most of it is truly worthless. As was pointed out by a later poster.
Judging by the majority of answers, a lot of posters did not read the questions, have never owned or used a Mac but feel the urge to post regardless.
There are a number of good replies but sorting them out from the dross is a daunting task for a newbie.
CNET has three Mac centric forums. Mac Forum, Mac Hardware and Mac Programs and Utilities. There is even one post waiting for you at this URL.
http://reviews.cnet.com/5208-7582-0.html?forumID=28&threadID=118354&messageID=1343311 Just click the link.
You might find things easier to manage if you change Forums.

P

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PC or Mac?
Aug 6, 2005 12:53AM PDT

Just a little thing I want to say there Deb. A Mac is a PC. It was the first really functional PC. Then there was the Commodore 64 (shudder) and others. Next there came IBM with the PS1 and then their PS2. Now, it seems like everybody and their brother sells or makes IBM compatibles while Apple makes only Apples.
As for moving information from your compatible, or programs for that matter, be they Microsoft or any of the other programs (Veritas, Oracle, whomever) out there, with the exception of Virus programs as your MAC has a pretty good one not to mention the ones written for compatibles won't work on Macs, Microsoft sells a pretty good program for this. Of course, not all programs are compatible with your Mac. Now the Microsoft program costs, sure, but if you want the programs, files, folders or whatever moved then spend it. And, incidentally, you should have bought the iMac G5 with the 17'' screen. I have one as well as a compatible and I have tired old eyes also, wear trifocals and ain't no spring chicken. Both are very readable. And my iMac cost less than $1500, which is probably close to what you spent on that itty bitty 12'' iBook. And if you want a compatible, buy one out of a box from your nearest superstore for that sort of thing (Best Buy is my choice as they pay their workers a set fee and the others give them squat, instead having them work on commission). As for a CRT instead of a flat screen, they are readibly available at any superstore.

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Transfer are really quite simple
Aug 6, 2005 3:20AM PDT

I am also extremely familiar with both windows and macintosh. I run one machine with a Romtec TRIOS setup and have Windows 2000 pro, Windows XP pro, and Windows Millenium available at startup...all on seperate hard drives...at the push of a button. I am MCSE certified in windows XP too. I am also entirely Wi-Fi (as airport is...802.11g) ethernetted betwween macs and windows machines. Mac is by far the most stable machine...requiring the least technical fixing...no contest at all. With Quicken...Quickbooks...and Microsoft money for that matter (I have them all...and I have the intuit products for both macintosh and windows) it is extremely easy to transfer files between macintosh and windows environments. All have the capability to save files as .qif files, and all of the programs...windows or macintosh...can see and use .qif files. Simply read the book that came with the programs, and it will explain in laborious detail...how to do it. It is easy. It also makes it much easier to save a years worth of books on in a very small space...for safe keeping...away from your computers. Mine are on CDR and ZIP disks, for example.
All powerbooks in the last ten years, have outputs for putting the screen on an external monitor. I personally think the new flat panel screens are much more clear than the CRT monitors. You may have to go into your system preferences...under hardware...displays...and tweak the settings until they are as clear as you want them to be.
I hope this helps. It is all very straight forward and quite easy. I have found a USB ZIP disk unit to allow any transfer I need between business machines...macintosh or windows. Hot swap it from the windows machine to the apple machine...very effortless. Good luck! Let me know if I can help more.

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Will Apple Quicken Import Microsoft Money Files?
Aug 6, 2005 3:34AM PDT

Have ordered the USB flash device to move the files from one system to the other. But will Quicken on my Apple accept the Microsoft Money (PC) files for import?

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MS Money to Intuit Quicken
Aug 6, 2005 3:57AM PDT

Yes it will. .qif files do not care what program they are in. Just save your work to a .qif file...and transfer it in...as per the software manuals that came with the programs. If you do not have the manuals...they are generally available online.

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.qif files
Aug 6, 2005 4:08AM PDT

You can also use the .qif files to get your checkbook balanced off the web...using online banking. Most banks have statements available going back years, in .qif format. You can download the .qif files from your bank, and balance the checkbook in minutes.
I prefer something I can put data on and set it aside...just in case. Therefore I prefer CDRs and ZIP disks. One ZIP disk is used for storage...one for transfer, and it is all backed up on CDR. The USB Flash unit will transfer data, but will be used again and again...allowing for possible error on the data stored. Plus you should never put all your eggs in one basket...where a virus can possibly raise havok.

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to dand3
Aug 7, 2005 4:35PM PDT

with your experience maybe you could tell me if it is possible to run Mac and PC on a wifi hookup with no file sharing. The idea I had was to only share the dsl hookup to avoid problems and keep it simple.

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Non file sharing
Aug 15, 2005 7:34AM PDT

I use an airport extreme, and a US Robotics 80211g router, and both of them have as default settings...no file sharing between computers. I suspect that any WiFi setup should have the same option...simply read the directions that came with your unit(s). It shuld be a readily available option.

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Good antivirus software
Aug 6, 2005 4:17AM PDT
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Antivirus Information
Aug 6, 2005 4:27AM PDT
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PC to apple
Aug 7, 2005 8:54AM PDT

put all of your pc files into applications such as powerpoint, and all the office applications tHAT apple have. this way you can acccess them.

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pc history...
Aug 8, 2005 1:57PM PDT

You I believe might be in luck regarding Quickbooks as I think there might be an Apple version of it. On the other hand, maybe if you just input the last year of data of your accounts into an Apple equivalent software, you can just keep the old PC around just for that kind of stuff. Regarding the LCD screen...It is quite possible that you need to adjust the resolution of the screen to something easier on your eyes. Go to System preferences under the apple logo on the upper left of the screen and then choose monitors and then find the resolution choices and try differing settings until you find one that you like. Admittedly, LCDs are a little less tolerant of resolution changes than a CRT but it can be done easily enough. Norton software is crap, pure and simple and very little of it is used on Macs...I have NEVER had a virus in 11 years of surfing and if you buy a Mac and get the .mac service, they give you Virex which is faultless and does not slow down the computer at all. There are so many reasons to go to Apple OSX I will not bore you with the details except to say, it does not crash, does not get affected by viruses and is easy to use...Trust me....and yes, the telephone service is exemplary. It is worth getting the extended warrantee just for that if you are isolated from an Apple community and need some help along the way.
Another alternative is this...
The Mac mini would really be perfect for you if you like the screen you have as it is compatible with it!!!! Ditto for the keyboard. The mini was designed to allow a person to switch from a PC to the Mac with no hassles. It is cheap also. That may be the way to go for you as you could keep the pc for those boring old accounting programs and just reconnect the screen for that and when you want to have fun surfing and so forth, hook up the mini...After all, the mini is about the size of a softcover book..no kidding...it is fast and excellent..Do check it out..
Professor Neil Fiertel
Professor Emeritus
University of Alberta
Edmonton, AB, Canada

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Intuit programs
Aug 15, 2005 7:41AM PDT

There most certainly are versions of quickbooks and quicken for both macintosh and windows machines...and I have both. Information travels between these programs very easily using the .qif file format.

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Re: What to do
Aug 11, 2005 1:14AM PDT

I surely understand your dillema.

I started out with Apples, back when an Apple II was a hot property. I have, around in the closets, an Apple II, IIe, IIgs . People have given me some old Macs, and the kids have had fun with them. However, no one in my area seems to provide affordable support for them, and they are too old to buy support from Apple.

Someone a couple years ago gave one of my kids a PC with Windows 98. I had sworn up to that point that I never wanted a Windows machine in the house. My experience with windows has been, universally, negative. Virii, badly written OS resulting in crashes, terribly slow machines (without norton installed - I can't fathom how bad things would be with norton after reading your post), poorly written applications, and on and on.

I keep wanting to get some new machine, but I know from experience I don't want a machine running microsoft. I keep thinking that a machine with Linux (the 3rd option in major OSes available), but financially, the hardware is out of my range, even if the OS is free.

Anyways, just wanted to let you know there are others of us out here looking at the same situations. The issue with monitors is interesting - perhaps you could take a look at a Mac mini - that one allows you to choose whatever kind of monitor you want (within some definition of "whatever" <smile&gtWink and should give you the flexibility to outfit it the way you want.

As for the historical data - that is a tough one.
If the programs you are using run on the Mac, then I'd contact the people who write the software and see if perhaps they sell some sort of conversion program or service.