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Need Professional Quality on a Budget

Mar 2, 2009 1:25AM PST

Hi, I'm in need of some recommendations. I'm a film student, and have been working with is from the Cannon ZR series, but it is not truly the quality I need as a film student. I am currently planning some filming projects on a larger scale than I have before so I need something of a much higher level.

The only real problem is that as I'm a student I am on a much tighter budget then I'd like, so it limits my options. I've used the Cannon GL2 and a bit of time with some slightly older XL cameras, but as a student I can't afford those. My current budget cap is sadly only $1000, so I need to know what's the most professional quality and level of camera I can get within that range. Currently I'm looking at the Sony Handycam HDR-SR11, and the Canon Vixia HF100 as my primary choices, but I'm open to any other options.

Thank you in advance for the help.

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hv30
Mar 2, 2009 4:56AM PST

check out the canon hv30. it captures hdv on mini dv tapes. it can be found for $600

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Why the Canon Vixia HV30
Mar 2, 2009 5:48AM PST

Sorry, I tend to type a lot when things are important to me, but I guarantee there is a lot of important detail to the question here.

I hadn't even looked at/seen the hv30 but it seems like a good middle ground both in price an quality, namely when compared to the other Cannons I was looking at. I also like having a view finder, even if its poorly positioned and locked into place, it is part of the reason I was looking at the Sony HDR-SR11 despite being about $300 more then the others. However, I do have to wonder about transferring the video, my Cannon ZR supports fire-wire and I have the cable and it goes much faster than USB, at least supposedly, but I don't see it mentioned anywhere on the reviews. It may also influence other things as I may need a new computer(not on such a budget as out of school loans) and would be a Macbook, but only the one in the plastic shell has built in fire-wire, which is the only thing the new aluminum bodied ones lack.

I do need to ask, assuming you have experience with both, is there any bonus in upgrading to a hard-drive/digital memory based camcorder over tape. I mean, I know tape and film are more tried and true, and where my experience is, but all digital would have the bonus of being able to film and store more without repeatedly switching tapes. Furthermore, if there is no real bonus either way, is there any reason to not go on considering the HDR-SR11? It currently is the highest rated and ranked camera in my range here, has a view finder that even moves, and lots of other bonuses, like a slightly higher optical zoom.

Also, purely hypothetically, I have to wonder if I'd be better off holding out and saving up for something like the Panasonic AG-DVX100B. The lowest price is about $700 out of my set range, but I technically will not need a new camera until the summer. Would there be any bonus to saving up that much that long for this bigger, pricier, yet higher rated and more professional camera or would I be better off staying at the higher end of consumer camcorders?

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sony vs canon
Mar 2, 2009 7:43AM PST

you will need a firewire connection for the hv30. the hdv format is higher quality, better for fast motion since theres less compression, and archiving on the tapes are very convenient.

i have had brief experience with the sr11 and i love it, but working with avchd is a real pain

performance between the canons will be pretty much the same, it comes down to if you want tapes and a viewfinder

also, avchd takes a fast computer to edit it. hdv is less demanding

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Thanks
Mar 2, 2009 8:49AM PST

I'll admit that I don't have any idea how different hdv and avchd are that different, only they are both HD level video. The computer I'll be using will likely be a base-level Macbook (2gb DDR2 memory, 2 ghz processor and NVidea GeForce 9400M) so still fairly powerful, and I'll have my PC for everything but film and other such creative works.

I guess I'll choose the hv30 since I trust and enjoy Cannon, as well as the Mini DV format. As much as I'd love the bigger an better camera, the current economic situation, and amount of saving it would take, is probably unnecessary. To bad that I'll have to be looking at the old-school Macbook instead of the aluminum, but at least the fire-wire I have won't go to waste. Just to check, because I don't have the software yet(nothing to edit for this semester of school) the hdv format will work in Final Cut, namely Final Cut Express right?

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Canon HV30
Apr 10, 2009 12:40PM PDT

Wise choice. It shoots in 24p so you can get the film look. It also makes the low light shooting capabilities of this camcorder much better. I have the HV20 and wouldn't trade it for anything. It even shoots better video than my GL-1, which cost much, much more.

Good luck,
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