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Need help Fast computer excelent cooling, BAD PERFORMANCE

by compspider / February 26, 2005 4:54 PM PST

Hey there guys,

I am a member of the geek squd, no lie i need help though.
Maybe this will be a fast way a fixing my issue.
I got a

intel p4 3.4 1mb HT
Intel MotherBoard
1 GB of dual Channel Memory
Cable modem .... not that it matters
6600 GT OC Nvidia card from (BFG)
And a case that is flipped.
Case opens on right not on left
Motherboard is upside down and
Case has two lower 120 MM Fans as exhaust

SO very nice system, jet
Starts just as fast as a 2.0 Ghz installed windows just as fast and i play HL2 Half Life 2 Counter Strike Source and well for the life of me i can;t figure this problem out.

i still (just like in my old 2.0) i get 8 - 25 FPS sometimes in a non moving environment i get 50 FPS
now i should be geting 120 Fps or so....

Now i got no spyware just installed Xp Sp2 all good no virus.. noting..

I exchange the video card, still no difference i
exchanged the ram, to kingston still n o difference
i reinstalled windows still n odifference
i am guessing MotherBoard or / and chip but what do you guys think ... need some input here..

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by Papa Echo / February 26, 2005 7:18 PM PST

Please give some practical examples. What is your expcetation ? The given numbers do not tell much.

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How do you know?
by Yew / February 26, 2005 9:47 PM PST

You say you don't have any spyware, but give no details as to how you reached this conclusion.

Also, are you using nVidia's drivers or some of the generic ones that come with XP?

Of course one thing you should know, is that the design of the P4, is one of high clock speed NOT performance. That's why Intel needs to use tricks like HyperThreading and loading the thing down with L2 cache. It's the only way to keep the performance levels acceptable. The P4 uses deep pipes to make it possible for massive clock speeds, which also causes massive performance hits when the branch predictor is wrong. Though at over 3GHz, it should be able to simply muscle its way through most things.

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by skippyd333 / February 26, 2005 10:21 PM PST
In reply to: How do you know?

Yes, check the nvidia driver. What is the geek squad? If that means your supposed to be good then you should know that AMD will out perform your Intel.

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Not always
by Yew / February 26, 2005 11:52 PM PST
In reply to: GEEK?

I'm a big fan of AMD on the bang per buck scale, but it's NOT always the best solution.

There are some applications which require clock speed more than anything else. Video encoding for example... You'll pretty much always get better performance out of higher clock speed Intel chips, because of the linear nature of the process.

AMD chips are great for your every day business apps, and the Athlon64 cuts into Intel's performance lead on things like video encoding in a big way, but AMD chips aren't always the better performers.

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Here's a quick one.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / February 26, 2005 10:38 PM PST

I've yet to lose a bet a machine doesn't have spyware. Take a look at the output from to be sure. Always reveal why you think there is no pest.

Next, some install the OS, but what about all the lovely BIOS updates and drivers? A big clue is when the user/owner/specialist uses the CD that came with the system for drivers. 99.99% of the time, such are outdated.

In closing, with such a new machine why isn't it's maker being brought up on charges?


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Well ok i scanned my pc i got no Spyware......
by compspider / February 28, 2005 1:36 PM PST

I got no viruses and nothing i got the latest Nvidia Drivers, what i do not have is the latest bios and stuff like that i might wwant to try that, i don't know sicnbe my friend has the same mirror machine as i go from CPU and MotherBoard to Graphic card

Also what is GEEK SQUAD .... hum well do you know whata BEST BUY is, well if you don't it is a store full of electronics and they bought out Geek squad witch was a small PC helper group that was starting to do very well.....

Anyway no again i got no spyware i dought that updates will help since my friend didnt; do any upgrades and his game is running out about 70 fps.. well thanks any way i will get back to you on the Bios update and mother board up date .. if it works you guys rock...

If any one else have a comment please popst it...

Thanks guys

Later (((PB)))

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Need help Fast computer excelent cooling,
by jcrobso / March 1, 2005 4:54 AM PST

I read this 3 times to make sure I understood your case setup. MB upside down, processor at the bottom of the case instead of at the top, two fans at the bottom blowing OUT. You didn't say anthing about fans blowing IN. You didn't supply the case make or model so I'm just guessing.
To have good cooling you must have air flow THROUGH the case. You might try turning the 2 fans at the bottom of the case around and have them blow IN, this will force cooler air from outside the case directly into the CPU fan.
Remember that P4s will slow down when they get hot
(saftey feature). I saw a case that had seven fans but the CPU was still overheating because the were not creating good air flow throught the case.
When I worked at FRYs we made sure our custom PCs would stay cool. John

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by jcrobso / March 1, 2005 5:39 AM PST
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