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Need advice on setting up semi-home theater

May 11, 2009 6:28AM PDT

Hello,

I just purchased a new vacation home and I'm looking to setup a home-theater type of atmosphere in my family room. In my main home I have an actual home-theater setup and had a company come in that took care of everything, but being new to the area I'm not sure of who to hire and things to get something setup yet and I've also not decided where I would put a full home theater up in this house yet. So anyhow, I'm kind of looking for a temporary setup until I decide on everything.

The room is setup so that the distance from my eyes to the screen would be 14ft. I'm looking to get the largest screen possible because I don't know how long it will be until I have time to get the actual setup complete. The TV would be setup on this media unit: http://www.parker-house.com/parkerapp/slide.php?collection_name=Cherry_Hill_Wall_Unit It was setup so that it can accomodate the largest screen and is pulled to the largest opening so it could accomodate anything up to: 70 inches wide 40 inces tall. I do know that I will need an LCD over Plasma because I have tons of windows that are on the wall behind me, so I'm thinking LCD will be a must and I've heard 120hz is they way to go. For now I'm looking to stay around $2,000 , however, I want something that is going to provide the best quality and I want a larger screen, so if this isn't possible I will definitely increase the budget.

The media center does have an area built in where the wood panels can be removed and a speaker opening installed instead, which is what is shown in the images on the website, located to the outside of the glass drawers. I'm not really sure how well these would sound if a surround system was installed and utilized that, but wanted to note that.

I do not need a Blu-Ray player as that has already been taken care of, but I am looking for some type of surround sound. I am not an audiophile, so it doesn't have to be the absolute best sound available, but I just like to add a little more power to the sound over what a tv can provide. My biggest concern is that I don't want wires all over the place, I want something that will provide a clean look and not be messy looking, so I'm not sure if doing full surround sound with speakers all over the room would be an option or not. As I mentioned I do have the openings in the media center that could be used for speakers (if it wouldn't defeat the purpose of the surround sound) and I also have about 1ft. 8in. on each side of the media center where I could place a taller speaker. I've seen some at Best Buy before that I liked the looks of, but I don't know the name, they were silver speakers, sit slightly at an angle and ar about 3ft. tall. I'm not sure what would work best for the area, but I'm just looking for something that can tie me over until I can get things done properly.

Sorry for all the questions, I just know I want to get started on this and have no idea where to start. With limited time and all the mess of moving in I'm totally lost. I greatly appreciate any help!

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You say you have lots of window light; fine housing style,
May 12, 2009 12:01PM PDT

but will lighting level & glare must to considered. The biggest bang for the buck in large screens would be one of the few remaining rear projection models, perhaps from Samsung. I have a Samsung rear projector in the same circumstances & only direct morning sun limits use.

You will need a power source, such as a receiver, to power the channels. If a surround setup creates a significant problem, don't feel it necessary to go the surround sound route. Either two quite good front L& R speakers can sound nice, or jack it up a tad by adding a decent sub woofer for more effect. Adding these things up in my mind seems to exceed a $2000 budget, but it needed get too much more than that. Good sound is a worthy expense & will last for decades.

If you could really effectively dim the space effectively, the finest picture would come from a front projector onto a real movie type screen.

This only a start. Hopefully others will chime in.

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Thanks for your reply
May 13, 2009 1:24AM PDT

I suppose I should have been a little more clear. I'm looking to spend $2000 on the TV and really haven't set a budget on the surround sound, since I'm not sure if I will recylce it once I upgrade my theater, I'm thinking in the $500 range maybe?

The way the room is setup is so that their are windows on both sides of the couch, which then shine right onto the media center, and then there are windows on the wall to the left of the couch and also once large window in the kitchen. The window treatments don't work nearly as well as what I have currently in my other homes and are more of a way to block direct sun rays than to actually keep the light out. So basically anytime from around 6:00am to 8:00pm the sun in shining somewhere in the room, with the blinds closed it allows for some of the light to be blocked, but you can still see the light enough that it would be a problem with a Plasma

I looked at Best Buy at their front and rear projection options and I just wasn't as satisfied with the picture quality compared to the LCDs and Plasmas. I like the idea of being able to get a large screen size, but the pictures just seem to be more dull. The read projection wasn't nearly as bad as the front projection, but the one front projection they had going you could hardly even tell there was a picture on the screen.

I'm thinking a good front L&R speaker would be the way to go. If I could put the sub-woofer in the cupboard of the media center then I would do that as well. Would I need a receiver for just the front speakers as well?

Sorry again for all the questions, I'm just kind of lost doing this on my own.

Thanks again!

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I wouldn't judge FP at BB
May 13, 2009 8:38AM PDT

how many hours do you think they have on the bulb? hah

is it calibrated? I'll bet $100 it's not

and forget light control.

The FP world has become simply amazing. We have now at $2-3k Pj's that blow away units that cost $20,000 just a decade ago.

my own setup is based on the bottom of the line superceded JVC. It is the best pic I or anyone I know has ever seen. Including one person who worked for a movie audio production company, and also a director of 10 yrs who was inducted into the DGA last year. My 75 sq ft screen + this PJ combined for less than $4k shipped. Yeah, BB sells LCD flat panels for the same price. Comparison? There is none. At all.

$2000? you will have to choose quality or size. You can't have both. The biggest bang for buck for size, outside of FP, is DLP RPTV. The biggest bang for buck in PQ is plasma. The biggest bang for buck combining the above is FP.

Mits is coming out with some very large DLPs very soon. Like 83".

If it was me in your shoes, I'd buy the largest plasma I could. But a 65" is double your budget. Then I'd add curtains to the rear wall.

Subwoofer in the cabinet? Please note that cabinets are resonating devices. You will suffer for it. If the speakers go in there as well, I'd try to isolate them from such resonances. OTOH, your diffraction/reflection issues will be more difficult to overcome.

For your surrounds, the most hidden are in-ceiling or in-walls. Just hire a handyman to run some wires for you. Check out Monoprice for speaker wire that is extremely affordable.

Less that, you can do wall mounted or ceiling mounted for better bang for buck performance, but they are not as hidden obviously.

If you can double the budget, a different prospect than the 65" plasma can be instead a 42" plasma for $600-700, a projector for $2.5k, screen for $300-1000.

This is the screen I use.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=773065

less than 1k shipped for 159" (75 sq ft) and that was after custom ordering roller mech in black, with CSR as well.

you can perhaps hide the screen somehow, maybe with one of these options:

http://www.dalite.com/products/product_flash/ceilingTrimKit/

http://www.dalite.com/products/product_flash/floatingMountingBracket/

in any case, do not discount FP so easily.

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Thanks for your comments.
May 22, 2009 2:03AM PDT

I guess I was just assuming that if the Plasma and LCD tvs looked good that the other options would also be performing nicely as well. If Best Buy is trying to sell the TVs and can't keep them looking their best, I'm a little concerned I wouldn't be able to either.

If Best Buy isn't a good place to look for a FP TV, where is a good place to go and see how well they can perform? I'm just not sure I would want to buy something like this before seeing something that looks better than what Best Buy had setup. The screen just looked completely washed out and completely lacked any pop at all.

I definitely think I'd prefer Plasma over LCD as the colors seem so much better, but I just hate the reflection I have to deal with during the day and with the way my house is setup and being decorated I just don't think I want to put curtains on the rear wall as it just wouldn't look right. It's not that I can't afford to add to my budget, I was just trying to keep everything in reason since this will just be a temporary setup until I can come back in the summer and have more time to work on the setup and finding people to get done what I actually want to do. I also would like something that I can move to my room or a spare bedroom when I'm done with it in the main room and I'm thinking a projector isn't going to be right.

Again, I appreciate your reply. I definitely will look into front projection some more. If the picture quality is as good as yours then it may be something I do for my permanent setup.

Thanks again!

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you're welcome
May 22, 2009 6:54AM PDT

I've been told that the new Panny's have really improved, yet again, the reflective issue. One installer I spoke with think it's a push between LCD and the latest Panny's. Something to see for yourself, or ask about...

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Thanks again!
May 25, 2009 1:11AM PDT

I finally decided to get a panasonic. It is a lot smaller than I originally wanted but with my limited time I just wanted to get the process moving.

Thanks again for all the help!