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Need Advice on PowerBook G4 with Multiple Problems

Apr 6, 2013 12:02PM PDT

Hello, Please excuse the length of this posting, but the problem is complex

I have an Apple Laptop with what appears to be multiple symptoms. It is a PowerBook G4 aluminum body, 12" monitor, 1.33 GHz, 512 Mb cache, 60 GB HD, no built in airport card.

A bit of history first. I am fairly experienced Mac user. I have been using and repairing macs since the Mac II around 1985.

The device in question originally belonged to my niece at college. I think she dropped or threw it down the stairs in a fit. When she handed it off to me, the CD no longer worked and I had a non-apple service replace it. CD was always sticky afterwards due to case damage from the drop. After I used it for a short time, I handed it over to another niece. She used it several years until a cd/dvd became stuck in the drive. After many attempts to eject the cd it developed boot problems. Upon giving it back to me, I managed to remove the stuck CD.

At first machine would not boot. I tried all types of resets and commands. Finally found that holding Shift-Control down while simultaneously holding Power would usually boot the system. These buttons needed to be held for some portion of the startup sequence. I am also at a loss as to what this sequence represents. I can not find it listed on the web anywhere.

The boot process takes the following steps: No Boot sound heard, instead a buzzing sound that is like a representation of ripping paper or something. Screen will be black until sound stops (about 10 sec). Sound stops and screen goes blue. Same sound again plays until screen changes to universe background from OS10.5 Leopard. Machine then thinks some more and then dock and drive icons show up. Machine is now running. Immediately I get a screen indication that clock is set to 1969 and should be reset

Everything now basically works, but it makes no sound. Checking the sound prefs indicates no input or output devices available. no internal speakers etc. Have heard this could be a Leopard Quicktime related issue.

I have fully updated the machine to OS 10.5.8 , which seems to run fine. The battery charges fully, but I have to often reset the clock. Research suggests that the battery electronics may be faulty because this model Powerbook is not supposed to have and internal clock battery. I also do not seem to be able to boot in Target mode to work on the hard drive.

My theories as to the problems are:
1. the battery has some bad circuitry. My niece may have used a 45 W charger from another mac laptop interchangeably. Replacement may be needed. Seems to operate the same on charger with battery removed though.
2. The system may be faulty. I have run Tech Tool Deluxe, Disk Warrior and Disk utility to verify and repair permissions, to find any types of problems they may show. I think the drive should be wiped completely and reinstall the system
3. Can't rule out that something in the optical drive isn't still holding onto the system and is effecting its normal operation. Could I just remove it and buy a cheap external. I don't know if I need to do any type of jumper settings or termination for an ATA bus

The final complication is that I have a new iMac as my main machine. It's great, but apple took out the Firewire Port and the new external DVD drive is not self powered, so it will not help with booting the device. The Powerbook USB ports will not power it.

This could be just a fools chase for such an old machine, but I have a good friend that could use it and I love the challenge.

Any and all advice, Information or opinions are welcome. Just hate to trash an old friend. I think it could still be useful a bit longer if not too expensive to fix.

Thanks to all

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Some suggestions;
Apr 6, 2013 11:47PM PDT

1. I believe you will find that this laptop does in fact have an internal battery. If you ever take the thing apart, you should find it on the right hand side of the bottom case, under the logic board. It is long, thin and flat.
2. An external, self powered, optical drive would work for you. These are extremely cheap. No need to worry about jumper setting on the ATA bus, the replacement Optical drive will be USB.
3. With #2 in hand, you are in a position to format and install OS X.
4. Even though Apple has stopped Firewire, you do have Thunderbolt. With the Thunderbolt to Firewire adapter, you will be good to go.
5. You could always remove the hard drive from the PB and, using an external enclosure, work on the drive that way.
6. The sound problem "could" be that the sound out port has become stuck. (not uncommon) Plugging headphones in will disable the internal speaker, as you know, and it is possible that the connection has become stuck in the open position. Try attaching a pair of headphones to the PB and see if there is any sound there.
7. The "buzzing sound" may be the CD/DVD trying to access the drive to check for a disc.
8. That model of PB cam with Airport Extreme as standard.

P

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Thanks for Advice on PowerBook Multi Problem
Apr 7, 2013 10:47AM PDT

Thanks for the help and advice. I agree on several points. All the information I find on the web describing this model indicates this line of Powerbooks did not use an internal battery. I am still trying to confirm that. The other odd point is that they all indicate that Airport Extreme was included, but there is clearly no card installed when looking inside the battery compartment. There is the possibility that it was taken out by my nieces' parents to keep her from Surfing the web with out guidance. They could have forgotten all about it. I am checking that now

In the mean time I am going to remove the suspected Optical drive and also test your fix for the sound issue

Thanks for your help

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My advice.
Apr 7, 2013 11:44AM PDT

If you consider repair, consider picking up any of the 399 buck refurbs out there such as http://www.geeks.com/products_sc.asp?cat=608 has listed. Not the B and C grade but the better ones.

399 bucks at a repair counter is not unusual for what you listed.
Bob