Naval hospital ship "Comfort"

when you can actually compile a coherent argument that doesn't backtrack your previous argument, let me know.

I have been "letting you know".

Perhaps I need a bigger hammer to get through to people that don't get the point

The phrase "pound some sense" or maybe a good shaking...."shake some sense".

I give you permission to use both phrases

I started a post about Naval Hospital Ship Comfort.....YOU want to talk about "abortion".

Please connect THOSE dots

Babble?....NOT Babble?

I'm going with BABBLE

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and smokers that object to government helping tobacco companies.

Don't like government involvement?

QUIT SMOKING.

Smokers that complain should make up THEIR mind.

What else can you use tobacco for other than smoking?.

Supply ....demand..Chewin' baccie' Bring THAT back? Invest in spittoons?

it's chewing that gives children throat and face cancer. Hard to get a date for the prom with half your face cut out.
One of them, in a public service ad, said he was getting it free from drummers at rodeos and fairs. (The cutting didn't do it for him. The cancer came back and killed him. At fifteen. All tobacco is bad.)

instances of your example exist.....You make it sound like an every day occurrence when, in fact, it's pretty rare. There are many instances as well of people who have never smoked in their lives dying from lung cancer....can't be explained away by pointing at their non-existent cigarettes. Just like nobody can explain why kids develop leukemia at very early ages.

"All tobacco is bad"....does that include weed? There are many stats showing that long term smoking affects your brain capacity with memory issues and constant 'fog' with concentration levels....and yet our governments across the nation are legalizing it quickly. Why? Because they finally figured out that the revenue is tremendous so who cares about making our population more stupid than it already is.

Tobacco and hemp are different vegetables with different ingredients, some of which are (separately) harmful or useful to humans. (My active service just missed the hempen mooring lines days. All plastic.)
We can discuss the Evil Weed another time if you wish. Our attitude toward it will be of interest to anyone who wonders how their Bible relates to modern life.
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Oh. Never mind.

free distribution of tobacco to minors was banned, just as other tobacco advertising has been restricted.

government HELPING tobacco companies or smokers?

And this makes NO sense....please explain it if you can: QUIT SMOKING.

Smokers that complain should make up THEIR mind.

YOU ask

WHERE do you see government HELPING tobacco companies or smokers?

MY answer is ...YOU said it, in this post

YOUR "fingers" said this

Tell that to all the rest of the world who insist that 'second hand' smoke kills so force people to stop smoking because we ARE killing you...…..but keep the tobacco companies in business so taxes can be raised every year on them and the consumers so new stadiums etc can be built that we can't smoke in.

WE can't smoke in? Spoken like a true "smoker"

YOU made the claim the government is "keeping them in business".......HELPING....

Splain' yourself, Lucy IF you can....

the government was subsidizing them much like other businesses. That's not the case. IF smoking was so horrible to society don't you think they would have banned it completely instead of just taking the money they received from lawsuits and made them put warning labeling on the packs? Instead, they allow the product to be made and sold, 'knowing' it's poison to people, including the second hand smoke, force businesses to not allow it in their buildings as a 'health hazard', and then allow state governments to put taxes on the product higher and higher in order to now build stadiums, etc. that brings in more revenue to the area.

Yes, I'm a smoker. I enjoy smoking, I guess much like you enjoy trolling. People who don't brag about it like they should have some kind of award for that decision, but those same people will go to an abortion clinic and not hesitate to kill off a human life on purpose....and fund (perhaps still do) drug cartels because it fits their agendas of liberty freedoms. Gimme a break from your self-righteous hypocrisy, please.

"people who don't smoke" in my last paragraph.

Second....a little tidbit of info here regarding the weed issue I brought up before and the hypocrisy of the left...

https://news.yahoo.com/smoking-marijuana-could-lungs-more-143500075.html

which needed rewriting anyway. She was exposing a particular hypocrisy in society, where a proud non-smoker will seek an abortion. I think.
We're inclined to carry it further BTW. "Pro-life" ought to extend to all of life. Jehovah is pro-life, so we don't join the armies the nations look to for support, at the expense of lives in "enemy" nations. That in turn is condemned by patriotic non-smokers and anti-abortionists.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but in the next war, you'll be trying to kill us but we won't be trying to kill you. Good thing, or bad thing?

So YOU have a problem with someone ELSE HAVING an abortion,

But YOU have NO problem with GIVING someone ELSE lung cancer?

self-righteous hypocrisy?

I could sit next to someone at a stadium and never know they had an abortion...When I sit next to them and they are smoking...I know.

Just shows you how what someone does affects others.

YOU are a "GIVER".....NOT a RECEIVER/Won't HAVE an abortion.

Have one, don't have one...fill your boot...another one you have my permission to use.

"Fill your boots!" is a phrase matadors use to wish there fellow matadors good luck in the ring. It is similar to the theatrical phrase "break a leg" however the "fill your boots" phrase suggests that the matador heading into the ring fills his boot with blood from being gored.

as in most liberal left activists, as long as you don't KNOW someone next to you has had an abortion, they are free and clear of your criticism, but if you KNOW the person next to you smokes because you can SEE it, they deserve the public shaming you feel compelled to give them?

THAT first person ABSOLUTELY killed someone...the SECOND one is ACCUSED of POSSIBLY doing it. The first person GETS government funding to kill....the second person PAYS the government for a product that MIGHT and is still legal because the government needs that money to give to killers. Yep...makes sense to me IF I was a DEMOCRAT.

How many boots get filled at abortion clinics do you think?

If you are seated next to a person chugging beers at that stadium, are you numb to or ignore the fact that that person will be getting into a car and driving home afterward? Or is that something you don't think about even though you can SEE him/her drinking for hours? Are you only outraged over the possibility that a smoker can kill you by sitting next to him/her but killing off a kid yesterday in an abortion clinic or driving home drunk and killing somebody on the road is just 'life happens' since it wasn't affecting you personally?

Do smokers smoke around their grandkids?

that the government needs money for usually includes a tax increase on tobacco. It sure as hell doesn't go to hospitals or health care or life insurance....we actually get charged more for life and health insurance so that's IN ADDITION to the taxes put on a legal product they blame on our ill health to justify the increased rates all while lecturing us about quitting. How's that for hypocrisy? Do you have any idea how much revenue the governments and those insurances agencies would LOSE if they banned the product outright and forced us into quitting?

I don't give a crap if people don't love me for being a smoker. I DO give a crap that we are exploited for money for their pet projects and rates while they publicly ban us from areas we pay for. I've had people who reeked of cheap perfume and/or body odor turn their nose up at me and publicly make comments because my coat smells like cigarette smoke. Once I saw a flea crawl out of a woman's hair onto her forehead while she was in full 'shame' mode over my smoke smell.

Like I've said before.....if a liberal activist is blaming you for something, you can bet that they are doing the exact same thing or worse while they speak.

following orders from a government....just like those today during the lockdown. It's not a LAW but put enough pressure on society in other ways and they conform.

animal cruelty?

From your link: "PROLONGED" is the key word....I've smoked since I was 15 and have never known anyone who chain-smoked (where you light a new cigarette from the one you just finished) where there would be even the slightest resemblance to what was done to those sheep. I've also never known anyone personally who has died from lung cancer, respiratory illness, or cancer anywhere around or in the mouth. Both of my first husbands died young from brain tumors. The first at 29, the second, a truck driver, at 48. My father was a drunk and died from a barroom brawl, my mother died from an aneurism in her aorta that burst, and my step father died recently from falling and breaking a hip and his collarbone and never got out of bed again because he wasn't able to and stopped eating.

Most lab testing such as what you linked to where animals of any kind are involved are OVERLY tested to the extreme in order to get results and in massive amounts of whatever that no human would ever be subjected to. IF the animal survives, even if a vegetable, human testing is done in much smaller doses.

smaller doses? I would think so....

I don't think there are many humans that would volunteer to smoke enough cigs over a 1 or 2 year period to have the same affect as smoking for 20 or 30 years.

A 20 year "test" doesn't "sell".

They would have to be smoking while laying in bed trying to sleep...and everyone knows that you are not supposed to smoke in bed.

Dies while smoking in bed?....Bed catches fire....Smoking related death?

RE:Chain smoking... (where you light a new cigarette from the one you just finished)

Chain smoking is the practice of smoking several cigarettes in succession, sometimes using the ember of a finished cigarette to light the next. The term chain smoker often also refers to a person who smokes relatively constantly, though not necessarily chaining each cigarette


RE: I've also never known anyone personally who has died from lung cancer,

AND???? YOU didn't give anyone that YOU knew Lung Cancer?

So no one has died from second hand smoke?

"fund ... drug cartels because it fits their agendas of liberty freedoms"
Sometimes you go so far off the path of rational discussion that you put yourself in a different galaxy.
Pay attention, please. Drug sales and distribution are funded almost 100% by drug users. These users permeate all levels of society.
In our hemisphere the flow of drugs is south to north; the money flows the other way.

the federal government hasn't funded drug cartels, you're crazier than I thought you were. How about the Iran Contra incident? How about gun running with Fast and Furious? Like you just said...."In our hemisphere the flow of drugs is south to north; the money flows the other way." Not ALL that money is coming from drug DEALERS...….

citizens. That is, the general population. 'Stop the demand, stop the traffic.' That has been the drug war watchword for years. A drug shipment can be siezed and destroyed. The desire to do drugs cannot be legislated away. That takes a change in heart condition. That desire, acted out, funds the replacement shipment.

started out deliberately to hook the poorest in our nation to 'make them happy about living in poverty' by keeping them high, especially during prohibition when booze was outlawed and only the rich were able to pay the price for bootlegged alcohol for their speakeasies (sorry SE). Before that, booze was the 'high' of choice for poor people to escape their societal issues....mainly in the black communities.

Governments and cops were on the payrolls of most drug and booze 'dealers' especially in the depression years.

Then the upper echelon population started buying and since they could afford it, it was purchased in larger quantities but the poor were so hooked already that many turned to crime to pay for their addictions.

This was all done deliberately to the poor mainly to keep them 'in their place' and all of a sudden, the elites 'discovered' it and the demand grew to such an extent that cartels came into being and they couldn't get the crap here fast enough.

Look at the billions of dollars seized by the governments today...not just in drugs that are eventually (but not always destroyed), but in real dollars and properties. And they have free reign to seize anything even suspected as being 'drug money' or purchased with 'drug money'. For instance...our area is huge with Christmas tree farming (my property is rented for that purpose right now). Many of these farmers deal in cash....large amounts in the tens of thousands....one of them was stopped by the highway patrol on a route that is normally used by drug mules/traffickers and the car (pretty high end) was searched. The money was found, the car was seized along with the cash, and the man and wife were arrested. It was eventually in a courtroom where they were able to prove the cash had nothing to do with drugs....found innocent, charges and records purged....BUT it was ruled that the cash and car could be kept by the government. No explanation, and no appeal occurred because the people decided that an appeal would cost far more than what they were losing/having confiscated. I guess Florida hadn't met their quota for seizures that year. Personally, I would have sued for false arrest and imprisonment and theft of property. Since they were a black couple, some ACLU lawyer probably would have taken the case for them.