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National Anthem law

Until I heard the statement on the NBC news a few minutes ago I never knew.....

In Greece, the medal winners have been given a wreath to wear. Some USA people have taken it off and put it over their hearts during the playing of our National Anthem. Others kept the wreath on.

Evidently it is an actual law in the USA that you remove all headgear during the playing of the Anthem...but the winners in Greece are getting a 'free skate' to use their own discretion.

TONI

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Actually there is no such law Toni.

Military personnel must salute or remove headgear (if in mufti) when the National Anthem (or "To the Colors") is played but only if it is in conjunction with raising, lowering, or positioning the flag. At other times such as Olympic events or car races or whatever military personnel are supposed to stand at attention and face the flag if visible or the music if the flag is not visible with headgear removed. Civilians are expected to do the same simply as a matter of etiquette but not of law.

This does not apply when you hear the National Anthem on the radio or television.

The same standards apply for other nation's flags and anthems too.

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Damn...another news caster

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has lied to me....where does it end? lol

TONI

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Hi, Ed.

The tradition has always been that men remove their hats, while women need not. Just of of curiosity, what's the regulation for military women?

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The same...

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Women in the military must abide by the same regulations as the men both in and out of uniform, but as women have the same prerogative of headgear removal when in civilian attire as their civilian sisters.

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Women (military and civilian) never remove their headress during ceremonies.

Military:
Outdoors. Whenever and wherever the United States National Anthem, "To the Color," "Reveille," or "Hail to the Chief? is played, at the first note, all dismounted personnel in uniform and not in formation face the flag (or the music, if the flag is not in view), stand at Attention, and render the prescribed Salute. The position of Salute is held until the last note of the music is sounded. Military personnel not in uniform will stand at Attention (remove headdress, if any, with the right hand), and place the right hand over the heart.

Army Regulation (AR) 600-25, Appendix A, Table APP-A:

For Courtesies rendered by Individuals during cermonies and Public events (on-and off-Post)
http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/xml_pubs/r600_25/head.xml

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Re: Actually sec. 5 of the" Flag Code"

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Re: Actually ......well.......

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The US Code Title 36, Subtitle I, Part A, Chapter 3, Sec. 301 and the USArmy/USAir Force/etc..are all in basic agreement with the Code and

"PUBLIC LAW 94 - 344
SEC. 5 During the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag or when the flag is passing in a parade or in review, all persons present except those in uniform should face the flag and stand at attention with the right hand over the heart. Those present in uniform should render the military salute. When not in uniform, men should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Aliens should stand at attention. The salute to the flag in a moving column should be rendered at the moment the flag passes.

SEC. 6 During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed there."

Of course I note in the Army Regulation, the hand salute is not rendered INDOORS, while in uniform, but stand at attention. Haven't looked it up in USAF regulations. The USAF adopted most of the Army's protocol on the flag since it was part of the Army up until 1947.

Heck, I always saluted while in uniform, indoors or outdoors, on or off base AIR.
JR

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Ahhh.

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When Mary said sec. 5 of the "Flag Code" I was thinking of USC 4 Chapter 1 sec. 5 which doesn't address the anthem.

I was USAF myself and we always saluted when in uniform indoors or out, on or off base as well.

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Slight off-topic. Just a wonderment of mine.

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Is there another national anthem anywhere that focuses so much on rockets and bombs and perilous fights?

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I'm not sure, but many of them don't have words at all. I've been wondering if England's "God Save The Queen" will have to change when there's a King sitting instead???

TONI

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(NT) (NT) nah toni he will curtsey the same:)

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There is no authorised version of the National Anthem "God Save the Queen" (or "God Save the King", depending on the gender of the ruling monarch) as the words are a matter of tradition. The words used are those sung in 1745, substituting 'Queen' for 'King' where appropriate. On official occasions, only the first verse is usually sung.

What is most often played for events like the Commonwealth Games for ENGLAND is "Land of Hope and Glory" which is its "unofficial anthem" just like other countries of the Commonwealth have their own.

Land of Hope and Glory,
Mother of the free,
How shall we extole thee,
Who are born of thee,
Wider and still wider,
Shall thy bounds be set,
God who made the mighty,
Make thee mightier yet!!,
God who made thee mighty,
Make thee mightier yet!


Had to do some work for Protocol while recovering one time. The things one learns!

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Nope! Some of them...

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are rather innocuous while others are like the following:

1. Arise children of the fatherland
The day of glory has arrived
Against us tyranny's
Bloody standard is raised
Listen to the sound in the fields
The howling of these fearsome soldiers
They are coming into our midst
To cut the throats of your sons and consorts

2. What do they want this horde of slaves
Of traitors and conspiratorial kings?
For whom these vile chains
These long-prepared irons?
Frenchmen, for us, ah! What outrage
What methods must be taken?
It is we they dare plan
To return to the old slavery!

3. What! These foreign cohorts!
They would make laws in our courts!
What! These mercenary phalanxes
Would cut down our warrior sons
Good Lord! By chained hands
Our brow would yield under the yoke
The vile despots would have themselves be
The masters of destiny

4. Tremble, tyrants and traitors
The shame of all good men
Tremble! Your parricidal schemes
Will receive their just reward
Against you we are all soldiers
If they fall, our young heros
France will bear new ones
Ready to join the fight against you

5. Frenchmen, as magnanimous warriors
Bear or hold back your blows
Spare these sad victims
Who with regret are taking up arms against us
But not these bloody despots
These accomplices of Bouill

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Then too our neighbor to the South...

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CHORUS:

Mexicans, when the war cry is heard,
Have sword and bridle ready.
Let the earth's foundations tremble
At the loud cannon's roar.

May the divine archangel crown your brow,
Oh fatherland, with an olive branch of peace,
For your eternal destiny has been written
In heaven by the finger of God.
But should a foreign enemy
Dare to profane your soil with his tread,
Know, beloved fatherland, that heaven gave you
A soldier in each of your sons.

CHORUS

War, war without truce against who would attempt
to blemish the honor of the fatherland!
War, war! The patriotic banners
saturate in waves of blood.
War, war! On the mount, in the vale
The terrifying cannon thunder
and the echoes nobly resound
to the cries of union! liberty!

CHORUS

Fatherland, before your children become unarmed
Beneath the yoke their necks in sway,
May your countryside be watered with blood,
On blood their feet trample.
And may your temples, palaces and towers
crumble in horrid crash,
and their ruins exist saying:
The fatherland was made of one thousand heroes here.

CHORUS

Fatherland, oh fatherland, your sons vow
To give their last breath on your altars,
If the trumpet with its warlike sound
Calls them to valiant battle.
For you, the garlands of olive,
For them, a glorious memory.
For you, the victory laurels,
For them, an honoured tomb.

CHORUS

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hmmm. So we're in good company then.

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http://david.national-anthems.net/
David's got quite a collection with midi and lyrics.

I'm looking through some, for one of your "rather innocuous" ones and having a bit of a time.

Iceland

Our country's God! Our country's God!
We worship Thy name in its wonder sublime.
The suns of the heavens are set in Thy crown
By Thy legions, the ages of time!
With Thee is each day as a thousand years,
Each thousand of years, but a day,
Eternity's flow'r, with its homage of tears,
That reverently passes away.
Iceland's thousand years!
Iceland's thousand years!
Eternity's flow'r, with its homage of tears.
That reverently passes away.


Jamaica

Eternal Father bless our land,
Guard us with Thy Mighty Hand,
Keep us free from evil powers,
Be our light through countless hours.
To our Leaders, Great Defender,
Grant true wisdom from above.
Justice, Truth be ours forever,
Jamaica, Land we love.
Jamaica, Jamaica, Jamaica land we love.

Teach us true respect for all,
Stir response to duty?s call,
Strengthen us the weak to cherish,
Give us vision lest we perish.
Knowledge send us Heavenly Father,
Grant true wisdom from above.
Justice, Truth be ours forever,
Jamaica, Land we love.
Jamaica, Jamaica, Jamaica land we love.


Kurdistan

"Ey Raq
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Thanks for that link.

I am going to take it in to the G3 here at Knox. Sure wish there had been something as handy back in the days I needed it. It is a lot more complete than what I had to work with.

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LIGHTEN UP A LITTLE.
Do you really think they are doing it on purpose to disrespect the flag?
In the excitment of the moment I can understand the slip.

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Why is wearing a hat disrespectful?

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Does anyone know the origins of this custom and/or the rationale behind it?

Something to do with crowns, perhaps? - Mark

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