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Natali is SOOO wrong about her Visa position

Nov 20, 2009 12:30AM PST

Note: Not talking about credit cards

Note: Political discussion Alert!!

BOL 1110

The discussion evolved into "H2B" Visas. First, a primer (and I needed it):

"What is an H2B visa?

The H2B working visa is a nonimmigrant visa which allows foreign nationals to enter into the U.S. temporarily and engage in nonagricultural employment which is seasonal, intermittent, a peak load need, or a one-time occurrence.

Note: This visa is also used for entertainers going on a tour, for film workers or professional minor league players."

Natali's position as enunciated on the podcast was that the requirement for this type of Visa holder to return home after the term of their Visa had expired placed undue hardships on the people who had them.

Cooley stated that while it might not be so great for these Visa holders to have to go home at expiration time, those are the rules of the Visa and it's their choice to avail themselves of said Visas if they want that kind of seasonal work.

Come on, Natali...This is exactly the kind of immigration problem we have in this country. You didn't say as much, but the impression you left is that the Visa rules should just be a formality, and we should just look the other way and let anyone and everyone come across the border and stay forever. You say they have problems getting employment in their home country, but as Cooley points out, why is that the responsibility of the U.S. to provide it? I've never understood this mentality. And then you brought in a total red herring: "Hegemony". That's absurd. If anything, the fact that we extend the opportunity for seasonal employment like that is a good thing. But this "let everyone and anyone in" mentality is what's truly placing a heavy economic hardship on the nation as a whole.

What is wrong with having an orderly process whereby people can be permitted in to work temporarily? Rules are in place for a reason; to keep order to the process.

Let me say unequivocally the following regarding illegal immigration in general:

If I were a poor person from Mexico or any country seeking a better life and opportunity, and I couldn't legally get into the U.S., I WOULD TRY TO CROSS THE BORDER.

Read the above sentence again.

This isn't about the people, themselves. I fully understand why people try to get into this country, and why they would want to stay. I would, too. But this country --any country-- cannot sustain the costs of having unregulated immigration. It's a recipe for disaster, and we need to get a handle on it.

In my view, that means we have to immediately lock down the borders, BUT we also need to grant amnesty to those who are here. There's no other practical way. Amnesty alone isn't going to solve the ongoing problem. It's got to be a two-pronged process.

End of rant.

Discussion is locked

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(NT) Natali and Cooley need to do an eisode of East Meets West
Nov 20, 2009 4:27AM PST
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Ohh right
Nov 20, 2009 10:17AM PST

Because people are just a problem and inconvenience, surely wouldn't want any skilled workers to stay in your country.
This is also a pretty big problem in Australia, right next to Indonesia, and has become worse lately due to Australia's relatively strong economy compared to rest of world, unemployment only 5.8% and GDP growth rate has only declined but not actually gone into negative figures!
My attitude is, if skilled smart labourers want to come over, that's only going to be good for us. The day people don't want to come, that's when you worry.

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Rules are rules
Nov 20, 2009 9:32PM PST

These individuals knew full well what the terms of the Visa were before signing up. So it's ok for them to just decide that they can't be bothered living up to the obligation --and law?

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Agreed
Nov 25, 2009 11:28PM PST

Not because I can't stand Natali, but her position is a bit slighted and lacks objectivity.