Natali is awesome - ur not :P - February 2009 - Forums

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It's not us

by kalel33-20416052469708587370302374692233 Feb 8, 2009 11:52AM PST

I think people are just not feeling she has any passion for the industry. There's no chemistry, she doesn't bring anything to table without a prompter/notes, and her personality comes across as the naive blonde(yes I know she's brunette). I gave it time and it's just not working with her.

By the way, you might have been in a chess club but I was a 3 sport athlete, home coming king candidate, worked on cars, but a little bit of geek at heart. I think you have geeks and nerds mixed up, geeks can lead normal lives, have beautiful girlfriends/wives, be the popular one, but a nerd is a little bit of a social deviant and does not quite fit in with others socially.

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You're bragging about being a homecoming king candidate?

by kwahhn Feb 8, 2009 11:55AM PST

for serious? BWAHAHAHAHA....

mmmmmmm...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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some don't get it

by kalel33-20416052469708587370302374692233 Feb 8, 2009 12:41PM PST

Being up for homecoming king is based on votes for popularity and in our school we didn't put up signs to get people to vote for us. I wasn't bragging, just showing that a person that loves electronics isn't socially and physically inept.

Most of the people that laugh about it probably only had one vote cast for them and it was them voting for themself.

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Ok, back up on the social aspects

by Balls_Maximus Feb 8, 2009 10:00PM PST

First off, I was a social deviant and three sport athlete, I hardly see how it matters.

My thoughts on Natron post are as follows.

- The Buzz Out Loud is free!
*No it isn't. Buzz out loud is Ad supported. If the majority of listeners are turned off by a host, and quit listening, Frequency drops off and ad prices have to drop, and internal support for the show drops, and inevitably show quality will drop. In the business world, the private sector, as Ray Stance put it in Ghostbusters, "expects results."

- We missed Veronica when she left too, but some of us followed her to Mahalo and then later to Tekzilla.
*Is anyone following Natali from loaded to Buzz out loud? I never listened to loaded, so I can't speak of it's quality or intent. They might not have made it to the forum yet.

- And yes, after Veronica left we were sad, but Molly stepped up
*Belmont was a different story, as she worked her way into our hearts through episode after episode. Starting as a producer and just being downright likable, put her in the spotlight. She wasn't placed in a position as Natali or any other host was (save: Jason).

- Plus we still have Tom (at least for now)
*good point, Tom I would say has built up a nice resume, and can probably move up at anytime. Though personal ties to the BOL community are there, they don't hold a candle to business/career decisions.

I might not come back to the forum for awhile now that I know what some of you BOL forum posters are really like. (And yes, I know that you're not all evil all the time)

* again I stress the difference between personal and business commentary. If someone says, "I don't like to listen to the show when Natali is on because of X and X, that is a useful form of feedback. If you say, "I do not like you, and will not talk to you, for making previous post." That is a personal, feeling based comment.

A show based on relevance and commentary, needs listeners to survive, people make personal comments, and then the content provider can make it's business choices. I may not be a fan of Natali on BOL, but it's nothing personal. However I try to look big picture, the bosses unseen have plans, and it's on their shoulders. Perhaps they want to attract a different audience, perhaps they want to reward Natali for work well done, and her internal importance is worth the risk of losing a few vocal listeners.
I'm not going anywhere.
Also, we don't understand what employee compensation comes from the BOL show. Natali may or may not get pay based on BOL, I know from working at Clear Channel, she probably doesn't. Therefore, it's almost a relief not to do radio side projects, because you have to put up with bickering audiences. So in conclusion, respect Natali, because she has a job to do, and she's doing it, but if you have something constructive to say don't hold back.

And Natron, lastly, where else can people post an opinion if not for the forums. Though I will agree with you that after reading a couple posts, the forum suffers from the same social issues as everyday life. People are more revealing in numbers and less appropriate in anonymity.
Take Care,
J

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Huh?

by actualeyes Feb 9, 2009 12:03AM PST

Natali is fine being whom she is and her approach to the podcast is fine. Otherwise they wouldn't want her in the first place.

Sure, as listeners you can voice your displeasure with her because 1) you don't like her 2) you "think" she isn't passionate enough about subject matter 3) she doesn't rant like Molly

Frankly, I like having Natali on the show and her calming style.

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of course

by Balls_Maximus Feb 9, 2009 12:34AM PST

Of course She is fine with who she is... My point was: I don't hear many insulting her personally, and the ones that do, I.E. the comments that stab at a physical trait for example, are surely not needed in this arena.

Respect all, fear none, and criticize others as you wish to be criticized.

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oh and...

by Balls_Maximus Feb 9, 2009 12:50AM PST

Since you mentioned it, and I said criticize and you wished to be criticized. I agree that Natali's delivery is calming. I would choose her voice style to read me my morning news and traffic report. In the afternoon, though, when I get my BOL, I prefer energy, gusto, humor, if I'm going to listen to news. And Opinions change...

If I was Natali, I would thank everyone in the forums for their support on the next show. That would be the only thing I say. That way, the people who gave honest opinions feel useful, and the people that gave praise, feel admiration, and the people that are rude, don't get any recognition at all, actually are spited by a positive attitude and the realization that the host of a show gets a much larger audience. The majority of that audience doesn't cruise the forums, and will assume support.

But hey, I'm just a bot.

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It all comes down to this:

by Slikkster Feb 9, 2009 5:11AM PST

There is no such thing as bad publicity --except your own obituary.

--Brendan Behan

People can b*tch and moan all they want. Newsflash: No one's forcing you to listen. No amount of whining is going to change the lineup. To the contrary; Cnet's going to see that there's "buzz" about this particular podcast. Doesn't matter what it is.

I trust Natalie's a big girl (I don't mean "fat", Nat), and while no one I know particularly likes criticism, it comes with the territory. I'm sure she has just as many --if not more-- fans as detractors.

Let's face it, Molly set the bar pretty high. If anything, it's a testament to her personality. But guess what? Molly had tons of negative posts about her here, too.

So, in the spirit of being equally critical, I offer this:

Tom is an Apple fanboy. Jason sounds like he could have come from Wasilla, Alaska...you betcha! Cooley never shuts up. Tong thinks he's the coolest thing since whatever-the-doodley-cool-thing was. Veronica's voice grated on me (while Natalie's is ahhhh, so dreamy).

OK? Ya happy? Geez... Give it up already.

(This isn't directed at you, Balls. I'm just adding to the thread cascade.)

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Tom is far from a fanboy

by Nicholas Buenk Feb 9, 2009 8:58AM PST

You want a fanboy, look at veronica and brian tong.

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We Aren't Tearing into Her

by drhjr Feb 9, 2009 5:11AM PST

We are merely voicing our concerns for our favorite show. Nobody is attacking her and nobody hates her.

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A different side of Natali

by kalel33-20416052469708587370302374692233 Feb 9, 2009 9:17AM PST

I wanted to see if she has such a lack of enthusiasm with tech on her "Loaded" videos. She seems very tense when discussing tech and doesn't seem to like it, but when she talked about baseball and Dancing with the Stars she loosened up quite a bit.

I really think she would be better in a different genre of news/entertainment. Tech just doesn't seem to be a love or hobby of hers. You can hear it in her voice on the podcasts and see it on Loaded. She might be a very nice girl, but I don't Cnet is her forte area of growth.

I also wonder if they put her on BOL in order get her more experience in talking about tech, because she seems to have problems talking about it without a teleprompter.

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Ditto.

by drhjr Feb 9, 2009 9:33AM PST

I watched a couple episodes of Loaded and she was fine. Without a teleprompter and notes though, she seems completely lost trying to ad-lib a discussion.

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talking head

by whathappened2bol Feb 9, 2009 8:50AM PST

Please get someone that isn't an Egotistical Talking Head(the severely lacking replacement for Molly) that is ruining a once Great podcast.I was a loyal listener of BOL now I can't stand even one day a week. Today was it, now I have heard it all starting with the Kindle, Woz and finally listener e-mails. What a winee egotistical air head.

a once loyal BOL listener

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I can appreciate some of the Natali criticism,

by kwahhn Feb 9, 2009 11:23AM PST

because some of it is backed up and done with a bit of maturity. But your incessant name calling gives you zero credibility.

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People on both sides are behaving badly on the forums.

by minimalist Feb 15, 2009 3:08AM PST

And that should not be tolerated. Slamming Natali for her looks or speculating on her motives is just as wrong as telling people that don't like her style on the show that they are idiots or that they can just move on if they don't like it.

But that does not mean people don't have a right to criticize what is going on the show. By choosing this job, the hosts are putting themselves out there in the public eye and this kind of stuff just comes with the territory. They are big boys and girls and I am sure they can handle it.

As long as criticism is aimed at what people do or say instead of at the people themselves its fair game.

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Well-said, with one caveat

by milkky Feb 15, 2009 5:39AM PST

When someone fails to take the gentle reminders, uses sarcasm and /or abusive language on anyone who disagrees with him/her, starts multiple threads in an attempt to give everyone the bum's rush, I think you can get more blunt. If someone persists in acting like an idiot, I just may give in to the desire to call them one. Likely I'll feel bad afterward, tho maybe not a lot, and if you call me on it and tell me I was out of line I will almost for sure say you're right and apologize.

Still, sometimes a cigar IS a cigar and I think a person can be forgiven for naming it correctly.

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The best way to deal with abusive or inappropriate posts

by minimalist Feb 15, 2009 6:56AM PST

is to simply report them and let the moderators deal with it. Responding just encourages more bad behavior.

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the mods are just as bad sometimes. this forum is a mess...

by robstak Feb 15, 2009 7:44AM PST

:-/

sorry mods, but it's true sometimes...

threads are locked and deleted that clearly shouldnt be, and then stuff goes on that should clearly NOT be allowed and it is...

I think usually its not an issue, but it DEF has been of late...

sry, i kno its a PITA for you guys, and we DO appreciate that you volunteer to do this in your spare time (or full time for some?), but just a friendly reminder to try to be as objective and fair as possible. I've been on these forums for almost 4 years, and this is by far the craziest and most disorganized I've ever seen it be. and it's sad because i think it's turning some people away, especially some folks that have been around for a long time...

por ejemplo, i had a post locked today for <rolls eyes> kind of reasoning, and then i get called a "wanna be stand up comedian"? rly? <sigh>

-karl

ps i give this post about 48hrs before it's deleted

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