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NASA and their confusing global warming findings...

by shawnlin / March 20, 2007 10:29 PM PDT

So...NASA has stated that the global temp is rising. But then, they RECENTLY said that because we've reduced use of aerosols because of the Ozone hole, the global sunscreen has thinned...which allows more heat into through the atmosphere which, you guessed it, heats up the Earth more...

If we want clean air and a sunscreen...I guess the Earth needs green-energy solutions and a way to reduce the Sun's affect or some pressure/heat release valve - NASA has a few low-cost ideas:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21417127-12332,00.html

I'm not saying NASA is purposefully confusing people - but I think it goes to show that this article about "geo-engineering" the planet is hard:

Geoengineering human-accelerated-climate-change is like...hard!
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/03/18/climate.technology.ap/index.html


Global sunscreen has thinned - result is a warmer climate!:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NasaNews/2007/2007031524529.html

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cool
by aribeiro2 / March 21, 2007 9:29 AM PDT

did you now Mars' polar ice caps are melting too?

global warming is universal!

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Solar storms an issue...
by shawnlin / March 21, 2007 10:23 PM PDT

Global warming must be related to solar storms that have hit Earth (note that not all storms do that). I think that because of the increase of intensity and number of solar storms in the last 5-10 yrs. The class of solar storms had to be modified to accommodate the recent high intensity solar storms lately.

If solar activity is affecting Mars too - looks like the global climate model may have to be expanded to the "galactic climate" model with an emphasis on Earth ...and what may be a new home for humans - Mars...

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Global Warming is a Myth
by Tim_the_Hard_Drive_Guy / March 21, 2007 11:06 PM PDT
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Global Warming is Real enough
by Renegade Knight / March 22, 2007 12:21 AM PDT

Even without humans the world has gone through seveal cycles. Ice Age, Warming, Ice Age, Warming.

The only debate is how much impact humans have on the current warming trend. Well, that and people who don't think science works and who like to just say things.

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yeah...accomodate for climate change...
by shawnlin / March 22, 2007 12:48 AM PDT

climate change is normal/natural: accommodate for it, don't try to stop or accelerate it...

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come on people
by jmoneey / March 24, 2007 12:35 PM PDT

haven't any of you seen an inconvenient truth

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And I've read about Mars too.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / March 24, 2007 12:45 PM PDT
In reply to: come on people

Makes it hard to sort out.

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None of this matters...
by csliva11 / March 22, 2007 1:02 AM PDT

because a comet is going to slam into the Earth anyway and kill us all.

I for one am going to drive around in my gas consuming V8 pickup in protest.

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it matters!
by aribeiro2 / March 22, 2007 8:20 AM PDT

i'll just move up to a hill, nothing will happen to me, as i am in the south hemisphere...

but i'll not have cool electronics and BOL, that comes from the north!

did you guys imagine moving to the south hemisphere?
australia is cool, and brazil is the second/first coolest place of the south hemisphere!

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Maybe we just need more smog ;)
by punterjoe / March 24, 2007 12:49 AM PDT
In reply to: it matters!

If our protective coating is getting too thin, maybe a nice thick layer of shiny particulates would help cool things down. Hey, it worked in the Matrix movies! Happy
Do you ever get the feeling that the situation's become so complicated & multi-faceted that ANYTHING we do (or don't do) is just rocking the canoe?
Maybe we need to try our best, but keep in mind that the scope of this is so far beyond us, that it's all a roll of the dice... and try to remain pragmatic.
I am NOT taking any position here, except to say let's all be on the lookout for unintended consequences.

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yep...
by shawnlin / March 24, 2007 2:17 AM PDT

Yeah, the issue is very multifaceted and is "...like, haaarrd" to figure out a solution. ...But so was going to the Moon/Mars...

I do believe in pragmatism, but I think we also have to decided to either be inspired by a wonderful view of what the global climate can be and work to achieve that OR go on with our doldrum, gray view of the future. Either way, we have to accept the situation.

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Why waste?
by scorcher409 / March 24, 2007 9:12 PM PDT

I agree that assumptions have been made by the global warming crowd, but I don't think that matters. Reliance on fossil fuels from existing sources means that supply is outside the control of those who consume it. So the development of alternative sources of energy is a good idea for many countries including the US, Europe, China, India, Brazil etc.

If these are clean and renewable also all the better. Protecting what we have, especially clean air and clean water, is not that bad an idea.

Global warming and cooling is a fact of the planets history, and if we can't control it we need to get ready for it. It is pretty certain that we are in a warming phase, and to be honest, as I live in South Eastern Ireland that could be a good thing, but for most of Africa, the Americas, Asia and Australia - not so good. Energy could not be such a problem - fresh water could be much more serious problem.

Fresh water = irrigation = farming = food - So what now?

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