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My speculation...and measles outbreak

Feb 4, 2015 1:29AM PST

There is so much going on in the media about parents who didn't vaccinate their kids.....but nobody is saying anything about how this outbreak started in the first place.

Disneyland and DisneyWorld......

Could it be that some stupidly kindhearted people who are 'caregivers' for all those illegal kids who roared into our country and were never vaccinated in their home countries took those kids for a 'vacation' without vaccinating them ahead of time either?

Another 'gift' that keeps on giving?

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Too early to say
Feb 4, 2015 2:22AM PST

But I saw this

"Measles Spreads from Disneyland

After a record year for measles cases in the post-elimination era, measles cases continued to spread in January 2015. Visitors to Disneyland in Anaheim, California, were exposed to measles via an as-yet-unidentified person. As of the end of January, the CDC had identified at least 100 cases associated with the Disneyland exposures and called for parents to ensure their children are fully immunized
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at http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/timelines/measles

Don't forget that both Disneyland and DisneyWorld are world famous and have many foreign visitors, so to blame your illegals is just speculation at this stage.

Mark

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Which is why I said "speculation" in my topic line
Feb 4, 2015 3:16AM PST

However, we've had millions of visitors from other countries to Disneyland since it opened in the 1950's and haven't had any type of disease outbreak there in their history.....it just seems rather suspicious to me since many of those kids also were bringing TB here..........

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That's because most of the kids had vaccinations.
Feb 4, 2015 4:45AM PST

It's only been recently that people are opting out. The herd immunity is leaving. Thank you anti-vaxxers.

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AND more speculation
Feb 4, 2015 5:03AM PST

An American family that didn't have the measles vaccine, visited Mexico got the measles...visited Disneyworld and the rest is speculation.

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completely lacking in any evidence whatsoever
Feb 4, 2015 7:30AM PST

you just love making up stuff don't you?

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RE: you just love making up stuff don't you?
Feb 4, 2015 11:15AM PST

HEY!!!!


I said I was "speculating"

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And Toni doesn't?
Feb 4, 2015 5:23PM PST

(QUOTE)My speculation...and measles outbreak(/QUOTE)

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MMR, and
Feb 4, 2015 5:57PM PST

in the UK, the public perception that MMR is unsafe.

I believe that most developed countries worldwide now utilize MMR inoculations instead of separate jabs against Measles, Mumps and Rubella (also known as German measles). MMR replaced the use of single vaccines for the three diseases in the UK in 1988

But here in the UK confidence in MMR was severely shaken by several claims that it was unsafe. Such claims have been continuously refuted by health agencies, not only in the UK but internationally, and the one person who was generally regarded here as responsible for those claims has been struck off from the medical register having been found guilty of professional misconduct by the General Medical Council.

Nevertheless, the perception that MMR is dangerous persists with some parents and they have refused to inoculate their children. Since single vaccinations are no longer available here in the UK, some children are not protected against measles.

Whether that fear against MMR has spread top other countries, I don't know. But if it has then my own speculation is that Measles could just as well have spread from some alien visitor as it could from some "illegal".

A link giving some backgrtound to MMR here in the UK;
http://www.politics.co.uk/reference/mmr

Mark

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I've heard a lot of speculation
Feb 4, 2015 2:27AM PST

that it could have been from illegals, legals, or just visitors from anywhere abroad. I don't think there's ever been a "Measles Mary", however. I doubt a source will ever be traced. With that many infected at the same facility, I'd also wonder if it wasn't an employee that transmitted the bug. I must say that I'm not convinced that the vaccine...or any vaccine is 100% safe and 100% effective. Even a few of those vaccinated were reported to have gotten the disease. I would also wonder if, like "superbugs" thought to be created by strains of bacteria that survived widespread antibiotic use, later outbreaks of such diseases don't have something in common with them.

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I'm sure the "caregivers" were so easy about their status
Feb 4, 2015 3:02AM PST

that they just loaded up the kids and went to Disneyland instead of just feeding them.

It was probably just a visitor to this country and one of their kids had contracted measles at home and brought it here. Naturally all the anti-vaxxers in California (who are all qualified doctors) had their kids contract it. It is very contagious. I've been hearing that, if someone with measles (even without spots yet) were in a room and left, someone else could contract it in the next two hours. Can you visualize bathrooms and rides in Disneyland?

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Here's a Republican that MIGHT be "speculating"
Feb 4, 2015 5:31AM PST
An Alabama congressman with virulently anti-immigrant beliefs has a new theory on who may be causing the current measles outbreak: "illegal aliens."

Appearing on the Matt Murphy radio show Tuesday morning, Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL) was asked by the host whether he saw any correlation between immigration and the measles outbreak that has erupted in the United States.


Said Brooks: "It might be the enterovirus that has a heavy presence in Central and South America that has caused deaths of American children over the past 6 to 9 months. It might be this measles outbreak. There are any number of things."

Contrary to Brooks' assertion that foreigners don't get vaccinated as American children do, data from the World Health Organization shows that the following countries have higher vaccination rates for measles than the United States' rate of 92 percent: Mexico (99 percent), Nicaragua (99 percent), Panama (98 percent), Belize (96 percent), Guatemala (93 percent), Honduras (93 percent), and El Salvador (93 percent). In fact, most countries in Central and South America have higher rates of measles vaccination than does the United States. In all, some 108 countries have higher measles vaccination rates than the United States.
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I guess I wasn't the only one
Feb 4, 2015 6:10AM PST

who considered this........mmmmmmmmmm

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Great minds think alike?
Feb 4, 2015 11:16AM PST

Fools seldom differ?

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Guess that's why
Feb 4, 2015 5:18PM PST

you and Rob were all 'touchy-feely' over each other in here, huh?

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Where does your "speculation " fit with the figures?
Feb 4, 2015 6:54PM PST
illegal kids who roared into our country and were never vaccinated in their home countries

Contrary to Brooks' assertion that foreigners don't get vaccinated as American children do, data from the World Health Organization shows that the following countries have higher vaccination rates for measles than the United States' rate of 92 percent: Mexico (99 percent), Nicaragua (99 percent), Panama (98 percent), Belize (96 percent), Guatemala (93 percent), Honduras (93 percent), and El Salvador (93 percent). In fact, most countries in Central and South America have higher rates of measles vaccination than does the United States. In all, some 108 countries have higher measles vaccination rates than the United States.

OR is YOUR "speculation"

completely lacking in any evidence whatsoever you just love making up stuff don't you?

Just because 2 or more people have the same "speculation" it doesn't make it any more reliable/factual.

I think you have your own "touchy-feely" with someone here...Perhaps they won't come out and agree with you...they just won't make a post disagreeing with you.

speculation the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.

I think most people would like to have at least some evidence even if it is only soft evidence before they start speculating.

Even James wanted SOME evidence, From ME?