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My new IMAC 20

Jun 4, 2007 6:28AM PDT

I contacted B. Proffitt regarding this issue and he suggested I take it to the forums, so here goes.....

Message

You've helped me many times with your posts in the past and thought I'd ask a
question of you....I purchased a new IMAC 20inch...my
first Apple buy. The machine is beautiful but I need help...

How can I transfer my data directly from my old HP Pavillion a1250n Media
Center PC to my new IMAC. Obviously the fastest direct connect would be best.
I've heard that the email WAB from my old computer to the IMAC does not work
well.

Do I need a specific piece of software to make this move possible, and what
type of cable do I need. i just want my files switched over as quickly as possible.

Thanks for your time, attention and help.

Sincerely,

Bronc1

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Not an answer.
Jun 4, 2007 6:45AM PDT

I can't even advise on the usibility of a FAT32 formatted USB-stick in a Mac.

I would suggest you burn the data to CD or DVD. That's a recognized standard, that Windows can write, and Apple can read. And it has the marvellous advantage, that you have a backup at the same time. It's always wise to have a backup of all that data that you don't want to loose.

Of course, it only makes sense to transfer data that can be read by the Apple. mp3's would do , Word documents would do (but not the new Office 2007 format).
But a Windows address-book, or Outlook Express .dbx files (your mail archive) or music in .wma format probably wouldn't. So that depends on the format of the data.

For small files, I don't see why using mail wouldn't be feasible. that depends on the volume of the data.

Hope this helps, and I'm sure someone will be able to tackle the network approach.

Kees

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thanks Kees
Jun 4, 2007 7:37AM PDT

My problem with the old PC is that the monitor does not show my desktop when the computer loads.....so I can not burn cd's becasue I am blind as far as the old computer is concerned.....that's why I was hoping I could go directly from one machine to another.....sadly the old system is only 18 months old......I'll make note of your help...I really appreciate your help.

Thanks!

B1

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With the old PC not being usable ...
Jun 4, 2007 8:08AM PDT

it might be impossible to configure it as part as a network, even as an FTP-server. That leaves only the option to mount the hard disk in the Mac. But I really can't tell you if a Mac would be able to read a Windows XP NTFS formatted disk; maybe go to the Mac forum for that question. I don't even know if the electronics is compatible.

Moreover: if the desktop doesn't come up, it's quite possible it won't work in a network either (if there's a virus causing the trouble), as suggested by Jackson Dougless. That's certainly information that you should have told in your top level post.

The best thing might be to get your old PC up and running again. You're not clear at all about what's wrong with it (could be a broken video card as well as virus having taken over the desktop, for all we know, but I think the last is more likely). Then a clean install of Windows XP might be all that needs to be done to have access to your files at least. So much easier indeed if you can see what you do.

I'm not telling you that a switch to a Mac is a bad idea. I'm neutral in that respect. All I'm saying is that it might be worthwhile to get the old PC in a workable state. And, depending on the cause of the problem and on the system specs, you should be able to sell it secondhand then for anything in the USD 200 (basic PC) to USD 800 (top PC) range. You don't want to throw that money away, would you?

Kees

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virus...don't think so
Jun 4, 2007 8:23AM PDT

I'm pretty careful about running ad-aware and spy-bot and resgistry cleaners on a regular basis....so I'm tempted to say it is not a virus but might be as you said a problem with the video card....when I just tried to boot the old PC it goes to a system recovery and then just stays there scrolling the blue dots across the screen and doing nothing....

I usually keep my computer on at all times....I decided to turn it off the other day and encountered this problem.....

maybe removing the HD and doing what Robert Proffitt suggested and placing it in an enclosure of its own and plug it into the IMAC as an external HD may be the way to go.....I just would like an easier procedure to follow....

Thanks again.....

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That seems a perfect way of doing it.
Jun 4, 2007 8:32AM PDT

And you end with a external hard disk that's very well suited for backing up your iMac data. Although it will fail some day (and you don't know when) so it's not a good idea to have data ONLY on that device and not also on the Mac.

Kees

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Pretty simple
Jun 4, 2007 7:38AM PDT

It'd be even easier if you were going Mac to Mac, since you can boot Macs into a special mode that makes them act like external drives.

Anyway, you've got a couple of options.

The least destructive is to simply network the two together. Not very difficult really. Then I'd suggest turning on OS X's built in FTP server in the Sharing section of System Preferences. If you look at the bottom of the Window, you should see all the info you need on how to connect to the iMac from the old HP. If you go with a simple crossover cable, or through a switch, you should be able to get 100Mbps network speeds, which translates into something around 7-8MB/s on big files.

You also could put the HP's drive into a USB or Firewire external enclosure, and just plug it into the Mac and copy files off of it that way.

You could burn CDs with the data on them, just avoid using packet writing programs since those might not work so well. Any sort of flash memory media would be yet another option, though one that would probably take quite a bit longer.

I'm not really sure what you mean by WAB, but I'm guessing you mean some kind of address book. Importing that into some Mac app will depend largely on what program you created it with on the PC. I haven't actually even thought to look myself, but Entourage (the Mac version of Outlook) should be able to import most Outlook and Outlook Express data. Mozilla Thunderbird will also likely do the same. I have absolutely no idea about the OS X bundled Mail.app. My guess would be probably, but I wouldn't put money on it.

With the details given, that's about the best I can do... If you want to be more specific about things, assuming you need more than that, you provide the details and I'll see what I can do.

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blinded
Jun 4, 2007 8:06AM PDT

Thanks jackson, but getting access to view what's on my old PC would make all of your help work without flaw, but by being blinded on the old PC it limits my ability to work from the crossover cable....I do not know the number (admin) of my old PC, so I'm foiled again....

I would like to make this transition on my own without involving someone else (like a computer store) charging me at least $100 US for the transfer I thought I'd be able to do on my own....maybe not.

I really apreciate your help...any other thoughts, please let me know......

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External enclosure
Jun 4, 2007 8:33AM PDT

That would seem to be about your only option if using the old system is hindered in some way.

Any 3.5" external USB enclosure should do the trick just fine. You pull the hard drive out of the HP, put it in the enclosure, plug the enclosure into the Mac... A few seconds later you'll see a new icon appear on the desktop of the Mac, which will be the contents of your HP drive. Then you just copy them over to wherever you want them on the Mac's drive.

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enclosure
Jun 4, 2007 8:37AM PDT

Thanks Jackson...that may be my only way to access the info....never having been inside a computer before, (I am pretty good at fixing things) is it a difficult procedure?

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Not really
Jun 4, 2007 10:09AM PDT

If you know how to use a screwdriver, you're pretty much good to go. Just remember to touch something metal to discharge any static electricity before digging around in the case, and then not to walk around on shag carpet or anything like that while holding the drive.

For me, the hardest part about working on HP systems is figuring out how the get the bloody case open to begin with, and finding where they hid all the screws so you can get at things.

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thanks that's the way
Jun 4, 2007 10:47AM PDT

I'll go with the enclosure...thanks to all who responded.

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Re: data from XP to Mac
Jun 7, 2007 5:51PM PDT

A Mac employee PM'd me to learn me about the Mac. Highly appreciated. This is what he said:

Hi Kees,

In a forum the other day there was a debate on the best way to remove
data from an old Windows machine to a new Mac.

One of the suggestions was to put the drive inside the mac and read
off the data, another was to use an external case (USB or Firewire)
and suck the data off that way.

You made the comment:

"I really can't tell you if a Mac would be able to read a Windows XP
NTFS formatted disk; maybe go to the Mac forum for that question. I
don't even know if the electronics is compatible."

FYI, Macs can read, but not write to, NTFS formatted disks. They can
both read and write to disks formatted as FAT thru FAT32.

As long as the Mac has the space for an extra drive and that drive is
of the same type, (SCSI, IDE, SATA) there is no problem with plugging
in another drive. It will mount on the desktop along with all the
other drives that are attached to the machine.

In this particular case, the Windows machine almost certainly had an
IDE drive installed while the new iMac has a SATA drive. The only
option for this poster, given that he could produce any video for the
monitor, would be to get an external case and attach it to the Mac.

Have fun

Peter

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thanks Kees
Jun 8, 2007 12:05AM PDT

Thanks for going the extra mile.....I love the new computer, but still on the learning curve with the new machine....I am going with the external case for the HD....keeping my fingers crossed....going to attempt it this weekend....wish me luck! Thanks again....

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One additional issue
Jun 8, 2007 1:16AM PDT

iMacs use laptop parts for heat and space reasons, so a 3.5" desktop IDE drive would never fit in an iMac that is only 2" thick (and that's only the 20" models).

With some creative engineering you might be able to get it to work by leaving part of the case off... But in my experiences with the latest style iMacs, they weren't designed to come apart without a serious fight.

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Thanks Jackson
Jun 8, 2007 1:23AM PDT

I'm going with your original advice and making the HD an external device, and will place it into the enclosure....just hope it works after I've been into my old computer and removed it and installed it in its new home!!

If you have a blow by blow description of how I should proceed, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks again for all your help.