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by alembician / July 10, 2005 10:47 PM PDT

I was wondering if there was a program that could access another computers music files over a long distance...such as iTunes does within a local network? Thanks.

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yes and yes
by HawkFan / July 11, 2005 2:52 AM PDT

It is kind of unclear what you are looking for. Are you looking for a p2p file sharing application with which you can download music (illeagally) from other people, or are you wondering about an application with which you can access a your computer from another computer to play or "share" music. Both are available. common file sharing applications include ares, limewire, morpheus, and imesh.

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How illegal is it?
by dank425 / December 12, 2006 11:51 AM PST
In reply to: yes and yes

Is p2p all illegal file shareing or some.And if so how easy is it to get caught!!!!???

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No, but...
by John.Wilkinson / December 12, 2006 12:56 PM PST
In reply to: How illegal is it?

Not all file sharing is illegal. However, over 90% of file sharing is copyrighted content without the permission of the author or other copyright holder, making over 90% of it illegal. In regards to getting caught, it takes absolutely no effort on your part...just download some illegal content and wait and see. To make a similarity, how easy is it to get caught shoplifting? (That is basically when you are doing.)

Oh, and by the way, if caught pirating music or movies you may be sued for as much as $15,000 per song/movie and still settle out of court for several thousand. And, like with shoplifting, that is something that tends to be appended to your permanent record. When you apply for a job and they ask if you have ever been found guilty of a crime, do you want to have to say yes?


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by an.echte.trilingue / December 13, 2006 7:25 PM PST
In reply to: No, but...

Where did you get the 90% number? I have use bittorrent clients to download, for example, fedora core and never for "illegal" stuff...

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It is a generally accepted fact...
by John.Wilkinson / December 14, 2006 1:10 AM PST
In reply to: 90%?

It is a generally accepted fact based on the analysis performed by the Recording Industry Association of America, the Motion Picture Association of America, the Federal Communications Commission, and others. You can click here for one such publication, where the United States House of Representatives Judiciary Oversight Committee heard testimony from the MPAA. (They accepted the statements as fact based on previous studies presented before the court.) File sharing (via P2P networks, torrents, instant messengers, e-mail, file upload sites, etc) traffic also accounts for well over 60% of internet traffic in the US and 80% of all traffic in Asia, as well as over 75% of all traffic on college/university networks which have not restricted access to related websites and protocols.

There is legal content on such sites and networks, but the fact is that it represents a very small percentage.

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I find it surprising...
by an.echte.trilingue / December 14, 2006 4:28 AM PST

I just want to make clear that I also believe that sharing copyrighted music is a bad thing, just so you don't think that I am some pro-piracy nut.

However, let's concider the source on these statistics. The RIAA and the MPAA. These are lobbying groups for an industry that feels threatened by filesharing. They are a special interest group. Accepting their numbers is akin to accepting tobacco industry statistics on second hand smoke from the 1990s. The studies they fund are equally suspect.

I will take the second paragraph of this testimony as an example:

Piracy is the greatest obstacle the film industry currently faces, costing our industry approximately $3.5 billion annually due to hard goods piracy of DVDs and VCDs alone. Deloitte and Touche estimates that approximately 400,000 films are illegally downloaded every day. CacheLogic, an Internet monitoring group, has estimated that over 60 percent of all Internet traffic in the U.S. is attributable to peer-to-peer usage. In Asia, over 80 percent of all traffic on the web is from P2P. Furthermore, well over 90 percent of all the content on P2P networks consists of unauthorized copyrighted files.

There are several flaws here in these funny numbers.

1. Dollar value: This number is acheived by multiplying number of downloads times the price of the DVD that the item is on. An assumption here is that the everybody who downloads a dvd would purchase it if they could not download it. There is no evidence to support this claim, anywhere. He does not even take the idea that people might rent into account, nor does he take into account the fact that many people may find downloading an easier method for media shift (the practice of putting content that you purchased the right to listen to on another media, such as CD to iPod), something that is expressly allowed by fair use clauses laws in current US copyright law.

2. Percent of traffic being p2p is not related to the amount of traffic that is pirated goods. Bittorrent is the primary method of distribution for Fedora Core 6, which is 3.5 gigabytes at 2800 downloads a day. If you assume that a song is about 4mb, that equals two million songs a day. That is bigger than the traffic for the entire aMule network and we are only talking about one single linux distro. I imagine when Debian etch is released later this month, their bt traffic will dwarf fedora.

3. 90%. That is not even internally consistant in the article. It is a scare tactic. When he sites his evidence later in the article, he admits that the supreme court accepted that "certain" p2p protocols had a very high amount of copyrighted content, I think it would be safe to assume they meant grokster, which is why grokster isn't around anymore. However, the 90% number is not from the supreme court. It is from one of the MPAA studies (assuming he did not make it up since he never cited an actual study). He used the common rhetorical tactic of association by proximity to associate his unsubstantiated number with a body that enjoys recognized authority. In order to distract the reader/listener, he conducts a classic bait and switch and quickly switches to the fact some studies have found pornography on said networks, including "child pornography". Guess what, websites distribute pornography and child pornography, too, yet that does not make it a valid argument to shut down the delivery of http over port 80. The subject is not child porn, it is music piracy.

Do you have any neutral sources, maybe government funded studies or academic studies?

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Your music or someone else's?
by John.Wilkinson / July 11, 2005 2:58 AM PDT

Are you talking about songs that you own, such as accessing songs on your personal computer when you are away from home? If so, the easiest method would be to put them on some type of storage media and take them with you. However, we may be able to help you set up a remote connection to your computer if you want to access them remotely.

If you are asking about accessing someone else's music collection via peer-to-peer file sharing, you'll find no help in the Cnet forums, as such actions violate piracy and copyright laws. (See the Digital Millenium Copyright Act.)

Please clarify.

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by alembician / July 11, 2005 7:25 AM PDT

Thank you gentlemen...I appreciate the response.

I am actually looking for something that I could access my music remotely such as what iTunes does. In that program, you can access someone elses music on a local network, listen to their music, but not actually download it. The only problem with this is that it is only over a local over longer distances it doesnt work. With AIM you can access other peoples music files but again, you have to download the whole thing, and all i want to do is be able to access and listen, not really download them.

Let me know if I'm even making sense here. Thanks again.

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by an.echte.trilingue / December 13, 2006 7:32 PM PST
In reply to: Clarify...

VLC will allow you to do on-demand streaming. Be sure to set it up so that you are the only person who can access it, or else you will be open to a variety of security problems and I think it is illegal to stream other people's music publicly.

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