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Multiple routers setup for Tversity

I have no trained experience in networking only what I have learn here on the net reading and experimenting so excuse my lack of knowledge. I need some help with a multiple router setup with Tversity running on a desktop connected between the modem router and other routers on the network.Until recently I had an extensive home ethernet and wifi network at home. I have adsl (very slow at 5 mbps due to my distance from the exchange) coming into my technicolor TG799vac modem router. From there I had 6 x DLink DI-524 routers (only 11 mbps wifi and 54 mbps LAN) set up as access points through the home to get better wifi anywhere in the house due to its construction there were many dead zones. I was doing some research and discovered that there was too much overlapping on the channels as I was over 3 routers (channels) on the 2.4ghz. It did work fine but there were many times I had to reboot all routers.I have tversity on my desktop that is connected to the main modem router via ethernet. Most of my movies I stream through the network via ipad, WD media hubs, laptops etc on on this desktop. The WD media players (2) are ethernet connected to different DI-524. I also had a WD media hub with movies on it connected to a DI-524 and Tversity could also access these files via the network to stream on an ipad or another media player. I must say at this point that I had no connections to WAN only on the LAN side of every device with static ip addresses on all wired devices and all the same subnet with DHCP only on the main modem router. The DI-524's were purely access points. Now with this information on the overlapping of channels and the upcoming new fast NBN (up to 100 mbps I hope) internet connection that is hopefully coming to my place soon I removed all the DI-524's and installed 2 Dlink DIR-816L located in 2 areas of the house where I had older equipment connected ie bluray, WD media player, that had ethernet only and no wifi connection. The DIR-816L has dual band 2.4ghz and 5ghz so a much faster transfer rate over wifi and also now only having 3 devices (the 2 x DIR-816L and the technicolour modem/router) I fixed the overlapping of channels but also I have more channels on the 5ghz side if I want to increase routers later. All setup and worked fine with everything connected to the LAN ports. The only exception is mydlink (cloud server for the new routers) wouldn't connect to the DIR-816L. I did hours of testing and configuring and came up that I had to connect the LAN of the technicolour to the WAN of the DIR-816L for mydlink to work. I put a static IP address on the WAN of the DIR-816L on the same subnet of the LAN of the technicolour (192.168.101.x) and the LAN of the DIR-816L's one is 192.168.102.x and the other is 192.168.103.x as the both DIR-816L's are connected to the LAN's of the technicolour and not to each other (tree topology or a partial hybrid I believe they call it). (I know i could have the LANS on the same sub net as they are separate but scanning the network later will give me a better idea of what is connected to each sub net). I have DHCP enabled on all 3 devices as they are separate subnets now so there will be no clashes and I have many wifi devices roaming throughout out the house and I want them to connect to the strongest signal. Now this is where the issue starts. I will break it up to technicolour modem router as MR, first DIR-816L as R1 and second DIR-816L as R2. As mentioned I have the desktop running Tversity connected to MR (middle of the tree or hybrid). In MR I have a port forward for tversity. Under the old setup I connect my ipad via wifi or WD media players via ethernet to any access point and I could stream tversity no hassles as they were all on the same subnet. Any connection would go back to the main router and access tversity on the MR through the port forward. The setup I have now has stumped me. If I access the MR wifi with my ipad (auto ip) I can access tversity on the desktop no problems as I am connecting through the original port forward I set up in the MR. If I connect to the wifi or ethernet on either R1 or R2 I am unable to connect to tversity as I am connected to another subnet to that of the desktop running tversity and I am trying to go accros the LAN/WAN of each router. I am certain that I need to setup another port forward in the second and third router but I have had no success. R1 it setup as WAN 192.168.101.60 with LAN 192.168.102.1 and MR LAN is 192.168.101.1 - gateway). The current port forward is in the MR 192.168.101.1 pointing to the desktop 192.168.101.2. In the R1 port forward set up I have entered both the WAN 192.168.101.60 and the LAN 192.168.101.2 but get errors every time.It says it cant be the same as the ip of R1 or has to be in the same range. I figured pointing the LAN or the WAN to the gateway is the key but at a loss of how to get it to work. I tried DMZ in the MR to be the WAN 192.168.101.60 but no luck. I have turned of NAT in the MR and back on to see if the double NAT (if it was occurring) was the issue with no change. I don't believe I can turn off NAT in the DIR-816L's as I can't find it anywhere. I disabled the ethernet of the desktop and connected wifi the desktop to the wifi of MR1 so that the desktop was at the end of the network and not in the middle but still did not fix it. I also was looking at putting the modem router into bridge mode and then running a cable between R1 and R2 and using R1 as my connection to the internet however I prefer the desktop to be connected via ethernet and the other issue is there are 3 ethernet printers near the desktop that also connect to the MR via a switch so if I turn the MR into a bridge I believe the LAN ports on the MR will no longer work? I am certain the solution is to just get a port forward in both R1 and R2 to connect to the port forward in MR or is it just impossible with the way the network is connected or the routers or modem I have. I appreciate any help.

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You can use the other routers as a WAP.

Port forwards and such tend to never work. Why not do what everyone does and setup your first router then for other WiFi spots, (google it!) read "How to use a router as a WAP?"

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I believe the way I had it using LANS only is a WAP? Correct me if I am wrong. When I do it this way I have no access to mydlink cloud server which is what I want access to for remote access to routers ie future cameras if needed, viewing connections on routers. The only way I can get mydlink to work is using the WAN port (mydlink must need to monitor traffic through the WAN port and can't do it on the LAN but I could be wrong. Like I said in my previous post I am a beginning so I don't mind if I am told I am wrong .

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If the second router is using the WAN port

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Then I never see that working. It's unsupported, unsupportable and can royally upset folk that think it can work if only (a long list of reasons.)

I don't know what you mean you can't access the routers after you change them into a WAP. I do such all that time.

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WAP (wireless access point) is connecting the second router LAN to LAN between modem and router correct? I just want to be sure we are on the same page here. If so when I say I can't access the routers when I go to the mydlink website. The routers are mydlink compatiable. (https://au.mydlink.com/entrance) I can view my routers from their cloud website and see the activity of my routers or any connected cameras. I can also see it from the app on my ipad. For this to work the connection from the modem to the router must be LAN to WAN not LAN to LAN as in the WAP your are suggesting. This is what then creates the issue with the rest of the net work. To correct something I said earlier I meant the networks are on different ip addresses not different subnets (sorry)

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Ahh that cloud thing.

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Sorry but I'm with Wozniak on clouds. I just view the router directly since it's an IP on the LAN.

You could use one of the DLINKS as the first router (as a router) and it will be seen by the cloud. But if you want more routers I will defer you to the router maker. Our office will not deploy multiple routers or give any indication that we can fix this. We use the classic setups as we have to go with what works.

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Don't I need the modem first before the router fr internet connection?

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Today the Internet arrives in many ways.

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It could be a modem or other device. Here we are chatting about using more than one router and the perils, lack of support and possible exits.

At home I have a MTA. They don't call it a modem.

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I meant subnet masks

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Haven't used subnet masks for decades.

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We did that two decades ago. With today's switched hubs, we no longer subnet our LANs.

Post was last edited on July 2, 2016 6:27 PM PDT

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Actually I stand corrected. The port forwarding has nothing to do with it whilst connected to the network locally. I deleted the forward out of the modem and obviously it worked whilst connected to wifi. I am not fussed about about remote access as my internet is so slow anyway. So it looks like just getting the sub nets or different networks from within the whole network to talk to each other Iaccess across the WAN?LAN of each router so I hope that makes more sense and simplifies things

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You have to talk to Dlink to see if they will support this.

Here I set up the internet to a router then off to the LAN. You want many LANs so you are going to get bruised and maybe upset that support is almost non-existent.

I have yet to read where Dlink's cloud can find a second LAN like you wrote. But maybe you succeeded but it's nothing I would offer from our office.

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