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More evidence Bush Admin dropped the ball on 9/11

Yes, it's an opinion piece, but the writer had access to documents that have never been publicly released. It's pretty apparent why not.

The Deafness Before the Storm

On Aug. 6, 2001, President George W. Bush received a classified review of the threats posed by Osama bin Laden and his terrorist network, Al Qaeda. That morning's "presidential daily brief" — the top-secret document prepared by America's intelligence agencies — featured the now-infamous heading: "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S." A few weeks later, on 9/11, Al Qaeda accomplished that goal.

On April 10, 2004, the Bush White House declassified that daily brief — and only that daily brief — in response to pressure from the 9/11 Commission, which was investigating the events leading to the attack. Administration officials dismissed the document's significance, saying that, despite the jaw-dropping headline, it was only an assessment of Al Qaeda's history, not a warning of the impending attack. While some critics considered that claim absurd, a close reading of the brief showed that the argument had some validity.

That is, unless it was read in conjunction with the daily briefs preceding Aug. 6, the ones the Bush administration would not release. While those documents are still not public, I have read excerpts from many of them, along with other recently declassified records, and come to an inescapable conclusion: the administration's reaction to what Mr. Bush was told in the weeks before that infamous briefing reflected significantly more negligence than has been disclosed. In other words, the Aug. 6 document, for all of the controversy it provoked, is not nearly as shocking as the briefs that came before it.

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I'd say we've had enough Bush bashing by now

It wouldn't be difficult to say, using hindsight, that any president failed to predict some disaster that happened during their term.

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It's all they have left

Their new "Chimp" Obama is so much worse than the old "Chimp" Bush (as they called him then), they hope they can rehash about the distant past instead of suffering their recent present.

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(NT) Can't give up the blame game for one day...very sad.
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(NT) It's new evidence Steven, Evidence previously withheld. Rob
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(NT) "Enough Bush Bashing" is like saying "Enough Hoover Bashing"
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Ok...enough bashing of anyone

It's really stupid, IMO. It's not constructive. This was the commemoration of a sad event and maybe good opportunity for introspection. Some of that introspection just might result in a few thoughts of forgiveness. To constantly eat, drink, breath and excrete hatred has no design to produce anything useful. For those who can't control their hatred, please go into a closet and bash all you want but don't impose your vile behavior on those around you.

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I think it has been established that Bush ignored warnings

However, Michael Scheuer in his book Imperial Hubris makes the case that long term flaws in US foreign policy during several US Presidencies has created the conflicts we are facing today. Bush simply failed to anticipate that the Jihad would come to Americas' doorstep.

The book, written in 2004 contains a chilling prediction that is close to coming true today...

The book is also notable for its critique of the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan, which Scheuer insists that the U.S. is losing badly. The Taliban, he argues, was not defeated; it is simply biding its time for the eventual withdrawal of U.S. troops and the inevitable collapse of Hamid Karzai's government in Kabul. "Karzai's defeat may not come tomorrow," he writes, "but come it will, and the Prophet's banner will again be unfurled over Kabul."

It's a good book that is well worth a read.

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Bible tells us

that eventually Islam will be totally destroyed.

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and what does the

Qur'an say?

what does the Tanakh say?


and Hinduism, Buddism, Baha'i Faith, Gnosticism, Taoism, Shinto Sikhism, Jainism, Jainism, Ayyavazhi, Wicca, Christian, .................?

But I realize that anything you don't believe has no validity and people who don't believe as you believe are all damned. At least that is your opinion.

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what the others say

doesn't really matter. Happy
There are many Lies, but only one Truth.

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well, in the South Park movie...

... they tell all the people as they arrive in Hell, that "Mormon" was the correct answer.

All this is beside the point though. A failure to understand how Foreign policy might antagonize other populations would appear to be the fundamental problem, according to Scheuer. Your comments about religious prophecy has nothing at all to do with my comment, or the discussion in general. Perhaps you would like to quote the Long island Medium next?

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(NT) It has to do with the Ugly American personified
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no different view than any religion faithful have

each claims they're right and everyone else is damned.

THAT's why religion and government don't mix well, be it Islam or Christianity.

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Mixes better than without it

The choices are with God or without God. You choose without God. Got it.

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The impression I get of the God you represent

isn't a very good one.

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nothing new

1 Peter 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

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(NT) so criticism is when people "speak evil of you" ? lmao
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ha ha ha ha

you funny person, lol

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(NT) something odd going on with software today
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seems to be a problem
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This is the note Roger meant.
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(NT) Thx, forgot it would grab thread starter
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(NT) ? Islam didn't even exist when the Bible was written
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Re: Islam

I think James wants to say Muslims won't pass the Last Judgement.

Unsure if that also applies to followers of 'Hinduism, Buddism, Baha'i Faith, Gnosticism, Taoism, Shinto Sikhism, Jainism, Jainism, Ayyavazhi, Wicca" mentioned by Roger. But it's certain that Christians will pass.


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How can it, when Islam hadn't been invented?

Or are you interpreting the scriptures liberally to cover religions un-named in the Bible?


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It's called Prophecy

And prophecy isn't an "after the fact" but a "before the fact" matter.

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By name...probably not

but look up Ishmael.

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Clinton had at least three clear shots at

getting OBL during his term....once with an 'offer' from Sudan to turn him over (facts are murky at best since Clinton in one speech admits to that then retracts it later), twice with directives to fire missiles into AlQaeda compounds where OBL was, but called off both because swingsets were seen in the compound.

Missteps were on both sides of the aisle, Josh.....

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Absolutely, and the blame includes.....

....every president from Carter forward. All of them.

Bin Laden himself said he was emboldened by our lack of a forceful response to the '79 hostage incident in Iran. Reagan made some good moves and also some very bad ones, including letting hostages languish in Lebanon for nearly his entire presidency, and Iran/Contra. Remember TWA 847? We negotiated with those terrorists, and one of the men they demanded the release of (and got) ended up being involved in the Daniel Pearl kidnapping.

The article specifically addresses the lack of a sense of urgency in the Bush Administration, despite what even then should have been clear warning signs.

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Lack of a forceful response...

Josh, I wouldn't say that there was no attempt at a forceful response with the hostage incident in Iran. There was a rescue attempt, but they had to abort it in progress. There was a collision with a helicopter and a 130, costing several lives.

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