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Do you believe that the bible is objectively and literally true in all historical and factual statements?

Dan

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(NT) (NT) No

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(NT) (NT) only on mondays

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(NT) (NT) No

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well it was written by man so how cant it be

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you remember the game you get 10 people and tell the 1st something and they tell the next by the time it reaches the 10th its different so how can the bible be accurate?

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An analogy I like better is trying to talk to a bunch of children...they may get the main concept but will also get it confused with a lot of other trash.
Plain and simple...a principle that is present in multiple if not most religions throughout the world...respect everyone else and do not seek to harm them.

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(NT) (NT) Re: Monday Poll -- No.

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(NT) (NT) No

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Some folks do, some folks don't.

To me it would make no difference to have undeniable proof one way or the other.

The lessons therein are what are important.

Angeline
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But who would or could teach correctly?

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I am reminded of how many years ago, the chairman of the local neo-nazi party was a lecturer of politics and government. Does anyone think he would have presented an impartial and objective view of the subject? Does anyone believe the teachers of religion would do so?

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Hello, Dale!

Though it isn't that hard to cite passages in the Bible to support one's preconceived views, there are specific ones that offer "rules" that are not so subject to different interpretations.

For instance, from the Ten Commandments to the Sermon on the Mount, there are lessons on how to treat others, regardless of one's choice of religion, or lack thereof.

IMO, those captured by the words of the nazi leader you cited were ripe to accept them. They could be motivated by anger - in general or specifically directed at some group or thought. Or they possibly feel disengaged from society for various reasons. Or they have found a leader who articulates it is OK to hate. Throughout history there have been such gurus who were, and are, able to incite their believers to action.

There are religious leaders in my faith whose words have no importance to me, but those of others do. The thing is, Dale, that they are all touched by human frailties, so lack perfection, as do we all.

When push comes to shove, following the simple Biblical teachings, though difficult, motivates me to try.

Angeline
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(NT) (NT) Is that a yes or a no?

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That depends on how you construe the question ...

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Any doctrine of inerrancy has to be based on a well defined statement regarding specifically what we are claiming. Was the Bible inerrant in its original form? Is the form we have the same as the original? What about the parts that are poetry and not intended to be taken literally? Are we asking that it be inerrant in all statements or just those relevant to faith? I confess that the intricacies of that discussion go beyond my ability to add intelligent perspective.

Do I believe that the insert favorite translation here Bible is literally true and accurate in every statement? Of course not.

Do I believe that the available versions of the Bible are true enough and complete enough to accurately tell us everything we truly need to know about God? Yes.

Unfortunately, there is a wide gulf between the scope of those two statements. Furthermore, much of the inerrancy debate depends on flawed assumptions. Some of it hinges on detail too arcane for me to master.

In the end, though, most of the inerrancy debate is pointless because people are focusing on the wrong questions. The most important question is not whether or not there are some minor errors of fact in the Bible. Instead, the most important question is "What do we do in response to the message it contains?" People who ignore the message because they are worried about whether or not rabbits chew their cud (as one OT passage appears to state) are frequently using their skepticism regarding accuracy of scripture as a smokescreen to defend their a priori rejection of God. Most of the authors of the Bible would have called those men fools.

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(NT) (NT) That sure sounds like a no.

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No, it sounds like a request for a well defined question ...

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Perhaps some perspective would help. I have met people who are convinced that the King James Version of the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. I do not agree with them. The KJV was an adequate translation of inadequate source texts, and it was written in a version of the English language that is not commonly used today. It is hard to imagine that anybody would seriously claim the KJV text is inerrant, and yet some people do.

In any discussion of inerrancy it is extremely important to know exactly what question is being posed. Otherwise answers may appear to say something different from what the author intended.

Christians have taken various stands regarding Biblical authority over the years, and some of those stands make a lot more sense than others.

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(NT) (NT) Yep, its a 'no'

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I think it's simpler than that

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Do you literally believe that the earth is c.6,000 years old and was created in six days, that God literally took out one of Adam's ribs and created Eve out of it, that God dictated the specs for the Ark to Noah, stuff like that.

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The Bible, like all the religious texts, is a political manifesto. I think that about covers the question of how much is factual veracity and how much is distortion.

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(NT) (NT) Nope

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(NT) (NT) No

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