Mods, Is this being ignored or what???

my little deux a fait face

... that Lee said "as a common courtesy to all the members of these forums that all foreign content shall be translated or referenced accurately by the owner of the post", because "It makes the job difficult for our moderator to know when a post in a foreign language is offensive or not".

Nobody should have to spend their time translating here. Period. Lee was pretty clear, it's puzzling to see the Moderators having such a problem with this.

Making up Spanish words makes it even worse. For example, if I were to say I was very embarrassado I'm pretty sure most people would be thinking one thing although it means another thing entirely.

If this poster knows the English sounding Spanish equivalents, why doesn't she just "as a common courtesy to all the members of these forums" say them in English?

So far on this issue I've been told:

[quote=Toni H]
It was determined at that time that all posts would be/must be in English in order for Moderators to be able to be of help.....If all members can't understand the post, then the post will be removed in Speakeasy, because there is no reason to NOT post in English when every member here knows how to speak it and they have been doing so since day one.

Post 7/18/2004[/quote]

[quote=Cindi]
Also, please make all future posts in English. As we are not translators, we will assume they are derogatory and they will be pulled.

Post - 07/18/2004[/quote]

[quote=Lee]I'm going to make this a rule today...

And I'm NOT going to update the TOS, for it obvious that these forums are presented in American English, not codes or any other languages.

It shall be known from here going forward, that any post whether it be an article, phrase, quote, etc., that is posted in a foreign language or code--as a common courtesy to all the members of these forums that all foreign content shall be translated or referenced accurately by the owner of the post.

Any post in the forums that are not in English without accurate translation or reference will be reviewed and appropriate actions will be taken.

We are here to learn, but not to assume or to guess about foreign content. It makes the job difficult for our moderator to know when a post in a foreign language is offensive or not. And since these forums are hosted in English, the content of post should be in English, so that the majority of our readers can get a fair understanding of what has been posted. So please be considerate to other members in the forums when posting your messages.

Thank you.
-Lee
CNET Community

Post - 07/22/2004[/quote]

And now it is suddenly:

[quote=Angeline]
It has to be Yes and No
[/quote]

Is this Speakeasy's definition of consistency? Are non-translated, spanglish insults going to be allowed or not?

I asked if Lee's directive was now defunct. Apparently it has been, at the very least, reopened for interpretation.

In a previous thread, Gabriela went so far as to have to us special characters to use the Spanish "contribuci

Somehow the rule has gone from "will be pulled" and "assumed derogatory" to standing based on the mod if a translation is supplied or implied. Depending on the poster and the mod the rule is applied firmly or loosely. I'm only saying it should be the same for all, that's consistent.

... who stated re: a translation being provided.

However, it is clear to me that my character and integrity is again widely under question, and frankly, I am worn out by it.

I went through the same thing not long ago re: posts with "BS", etc.

I reckon I should fgo and delete a post I recently made in which I used "grandeur".

Angeline

Certainly not by me.

From a strictly legalistic perspective the forum is supposed to be in English because the owner said it is supposed to be in English. In a private forum that SHOULD be enough reason by itself. People who are boorish enough to abuse their host's hospitality run the risk of being uninvited.

From a practical perspective there are multiple issues but the one that has the most historical importance is precisely the fact that the moderators cannot be 'language police'. If the mods do not know the contents of a post they cannot serve as moderators. There have been problems with use of languages other than English.

It is true that the standard of 'English only' is both arbitrary and subjective (Is Ebonics English?) but I do not think it is unreasonable and it does facilitate communication in this forum as well as the more technical forums (fora?). The moderators have not abused their authority in that regard. They certainly have not turned into grammar police trying to enforce standard English. There are at least 1 or 2 regular posters who would be in trouble if it came to that!

I'm sure that people who want to post in other languages can find any number of more suitable venues for that purpose. For those who wish to post foreign language text in this forum there is always a simple out: Provide a translation along with the foreign language. That should not be terribly hard to do.

English is the language of the US.

Unlike Canada where you come from, as do I, our Official Languages Act allows both English and French.

America where this organisation is located is, unilingual English.

You have the right to speak any language in your home, community or ethnic group.

Do not force that nonsense in a Forum such as this.

I'm going to make this a rule today...
And I'm NOT going to update the TOS, for it obvious that these forums are presented in American English, not codes or any other languages.

It shall be known from here going forward, that any post whether it be an article, phrase, quote, etc., that is posted in a foreign language or code--as a common courtesy to all the members of these forums that all foreign content shall be translated or referenced accurately by the owner of the post.

Any post in the forums that are not in English without accurate translation or reference will be reviewed and appropriate actions will be taken.

We are here to learn, but not to assume or to guess about foreign content. It makes the job difficult for our moderator to know when a post in a foreign language is offensive or not. And since these forums are hosted in English, the content of post should be in English, so that the majority of our readers can get a fair understanding of what has been posted. So please be considerate to other members in the forums when posting your messages.

Thank you.
-Lee
CNET Community

... but the Terms of Service (TOS) link is available mid left of your screen at all times "Forum Policies".

Here's a link to Lee's post re: English.
http://reviews.cnet.com/5208-6130-0.html?forumID=50&threadID=30164&messageID=344313&tag=

... right under the "Welcome...."

Click on "Forum policies", and also on "Frequently asked questions".

The one that Mark posted above is not there. lee posted that when some posts were being made entirely in a foreign language, or there were postions of the text in the body in non-English.

When such happens, the posts are to include a translation. If I post "Ad astra per aspera" (Latin), I must post "To the stars through difficulties." Howevber, there are other foreign phrases and words that are well known. ON that is what I based my decision to not delete the posts now so under contention that contained well known Spanish words. But, as you see, there are those that do not agree with me.

It was not done because members often use well known foreign words that have become popular and well known. I often use the French word "Voila!". No doubt I will be called on that.

Angeline
Speakeasy Moderator
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