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Microsoft looking for another Anti-Trust Suit? IE7 miseries

Dec 15, 2006 7:36AM PST

Brand new HP 9000T laptop. XP Media Center. Running Firefox. Use SBC Yahoo as ISP, and use Yahoo Mail.

IE7 forced down with autoupdate (which I've subsequently fixed thanks to a posting elsewhere on CNET forums). Foolishly let it install.

It forced me to MSN as a home page. I changed it to myYahoo and Yahoo Mail. It went back to MSN and Yahoo Mail. I could not shake MSN no matter what I tried. Changed it to blank, it STILL went back to MSN.

Gee, that's irritating, and has wasted half an afternoon.

So, I fired it. Removed IE7. Got back IE 6 automatically.

Now, I can't get rid of MSN as my home page there, either. I suspect this is some deeply hidden registry trick.

Worse yet, my Yahoo Mail hack that allowed me to "send to" eMail recipient and get at attachment applied to Yahoo Mail no longer works. Can't figure out how to set a default eMail program under Firefox. (That's on me, not Microsoft, but if I didn't have to spend all my spare time undoing their handiwork, maybe I'd have figured it out by now -- if anyone knows how, I can just eliminate IE from my life entirely).

It's no surprise, I'm sure, that I do not wish to use Outlook or Outlook Express. There's enough security holes without just standing out on the sidewalk with a bull's eye painted on myself.

So, I have this wonderful new computer (which will not accept an IE7 push in Automatic Updates" any longer) from which I cannot do a simple act like grabbing a bunch of photos, clicking "send to", clicking "make them smaller", and getting them anywhere unless I'm willing to use Outlook Express to go through my POP3 server @ Yahoo. That works, of course, but it does not leave me a record of what I've sent, and to whom -- I keep a copy of everything I send (yeah, I'm anal retentive, but it's sure come in handy a few dozen times already).

And IE 6, which was at least tolerable in the "good old days", is now patched beyond recognition, but still insists on mucking up toolbars (I get two copies of the Yahoo toolbar, but if I close one, they both close -- not the end of the world, but it takes up valuable real estate)and forcing me to load MSN and then type in the URL I really want.

Any helpful ideas?

Thanks in advance -- happy holiday season to all

michael

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Internet Explorer...
Dec 15, 2006 8:32AM PST

* There is a known bug in IE7 where you may be unable to change your homepage, particularly if you have security software installed designed to protect against browser hijacks.

* IE7 has been known to give users problems uninstalling on occasion. The easiest fix is to use System Restore to a time prior to IE7's installation, undoing all of the changes made.

* The browser home(s) are controlled by the registry entries start page and default_page in HKEY_CURRENT_USER->Software->Microsoft->Internet Explorer->Main and HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE->SOFTWARE->Microsoft->Internet Explorer->Main. You can edit them manually if you like.

* Yahoo used to offer a plug-in for Internet Explorer so that you could make it your default e-mail "client" in that browser. However, it has since been removed from general availability as they try to push users to pay for POP3 service. If that's what you used before you're most likely out of luck.

* Firefox uses your default e-mail client, whatever that may be. (Outlook, Eudora, Thunderbird, etc.) To change your default client go into Add/Remove programs and click Set Program Access and Defaults from along the left-hand side. You can then expand Custom and choose whichever client you have installed. That likely won't do much good, though, unless you have POP3 access for your Yahoo! e-mail account.

* You should find a setting in your e-mail client in order to save copies of sent e-mails locally and/or on the server.

* In regards to the toolbar issues, I'd uninstall them all using BHODemon and then reinstall the ones you want. That should take care of the corruption leading to duplication.

John

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Thanks, John
Dec 15, 2006 8:49AM PST

Thanks, John -- I'll go through your list in order and see where I get. I do have Norton Internet Security installed, which might be the culprit here, but I tried disabling it one of the times I changed the home page.

Perhaps I can hack the registry with the new entries. I didn't find IE7 offensive otherwise....

The "tweak" that yahoo offered is still available from various sources (yes, I was using that) -- it's available from their British site, and also from a few users who maintain their own page and stored it once it disappeared from the US Yahoo Mail help site.

You're right, I can certainly set Outlook Express (or other clients) to store outgoing items; it just means that I have to look in multiple places.

Since SBC/AT&T Yahoo is my ISP, I have their premium mail service without paying any extra tariff -- I guess I'll look at Thunderbird and see if I want to learn something new. I have POP3 and SMTP access already, so I guess I could just learn to use it -- it's just so convenient to have a browser tab in my mailbox the whole time.

Thanks for your suggestions.

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one other question
Dec 15, 2006 9:00AM PST

P.S. -- John:

That "known bug" in IE7 that may have to do with anti-browser-hijacking -- does it also exist in the latest version of IE6? I'm back to that and have the same problem (which I never had previously) -- I also have SpyBot S&D loaded, and I think it does some hijack protection -- could that be the culprit?

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IE6 should be fine...
Dec 15, 2006 9:24AM PST

The issue is IE7 has compatibility issues with McAfee, Webroot, and others. Some have been fixed via updates from the other companies but not all of them work flawlessly with the latest Microsoft release. I believe tech support for those two are still recommend that you stay with IE6, though I'm not sure about Symantec.

The problem should have gone away after reverting back to IE6, but like I mentioned above their installer/uninstaller is far from perfect. Before disabling any security software I would try System Restore, followed by performing a repair installation of IE6.

Good luck.
John