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Mexican border, next Canada

Apr 21, 2005 12:28PM PDT
Minutemen could patrol Canadian border

WASHINGTON (CP) - The Minutemen, a group of civilian volunteers who've been patrolling the Arizona-Mexico border in efforts to catch illegal immigrants, may start monitoring the Canadian border this fall for criminals and terrorists.

"That is entirely possible," said Fred Elbel, spokesman for the Civil Homeland Defense group in Tombstone, Ariz., a related organization.

"But we do not have specific plans yet. It will take a few months for that."

Some northern states have asked for help in setting up volunteer border watches, said Elbel, who added there's been evidence terrorists have tried to cross both the Canadian and Mexican borders.

The Minutemen have been criticized as vigilantes by President George W. Bush and Mexican President Vincente Fox has threatened to prosecute them.

But they've been receiving more favourable attention lately from some U.S. politicians.


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theres laws about that to
Apr 22, 2005 5:30AM PDT

and heres a subject you should look at closser to home eh?
AA country
for the taking

Canada could stop
the migrant onslaught
but chooses not to

by KELLY JANE TORRANCE
with KEVIN STEEL PAUL RUDAN/CAMPBELL RIVER MIRROR
Refugees
Chinese migrants off Vancouver Island: If you coddle them, they will come.

Jean Chretien has made it official. Interviewed last week at the APEC summit in New Zealand, the prime minister declared that a reform of immigration law to deal with the Chinese migrant crisis was out of the question. He declared that Canada's "first come, first served" refugee policy was "the law." What he did not say, however, is that Parliament may change the law or that other countries whose refugee law is similar to Canada's have somehow managed to meet migrant fleets without running up the white flag.

The Reform Party accused Mr. Chretien of "abandoning" his immigration minister, but perhaps he was trying to end her humiliation. Ms. Caplan told reporters August 31 worsening weather would halt the migrant fleet, at least for the year. Even as she spoke, however, the Coast Guard was meeting the third refugee boat to arrive since June 20.

A week later, in a September 9 speech to the Canada


http://www.axionet.com/bcreport/web/990927f.html


plus read this law on the cuban prob you need to read b4 you embaras yourself some more

This new accord alleviated the problem somewhat but it did not go far enough, as it still entices Cubans to leave the island illegally. For although any Cuban now caught by the US coastguard is returned to Cuba, it still grants Cubans permanent residency if they touch US soil. So although the numbers have gone down drastically, Cubans still take the gamble, risk their lives because they know if they touch US soil they will have all the benefits afforded to them.

Lastly, for all those who doubt that US immigration laws as they pertain to Cuba is just another dirty trick on the part of Washington, ponder on the following: if the US has an immigration law and a mechanism that allow Cubans to leave the island legally why then does the US have another policy enticing people to leave illegally? You either allow legal immigration or you don't. You cannot have it both ways. But remember the plight of the boat people is the cheapest and the most effective propaganda tool that the extreme right wing in Washington and the reactionary Miami Cuban mob has.


http://cubasocialista.com/adjust1.htm

long read but we have laws to follow maybe you dont beleave in the law we i do

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Historical coincidence: 25th anniversary of
Apr 23, 2005 3:50PM PDT

the Mariel Boatlift.
BBC headline:
Mariel refugees' long voyage to success
The Mariel boatlift brought chaos to Miami, but 25 years on, the Cuban immigrants' legacy is largely positive.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4443985.stm

Much food for thought, especially on perceptions of strangers.
Regards, Doug in New Mexico

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So I guess that means......
Apr 22, 2005 12:44AM PDT

you get to pick and choose which laws to obey? I do believe that earns you a Go To Jail card!

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The same way that happened not too long ago.
Apr 23, 2005 12:46AM PDT

In East Berlin it was illegal to try to get over the border to West Berlin.I think those who turned their back to the law did the right thing.But I guess you believe that they should have obeyed nicely and just shut up about the problems,as the law said.

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No. The last time I checked, it was perfectly legal to leave
Apr 23, 2005 1:19AM PDT

the US. No one is trying to make citizens into prisoners here unless they break the law.

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Since when .............
Apr 23, 2005 2:17AM PDT

Is Mexico a communist regime? Do the illegals need asylum from Mexico repression? LOL! Was this all you could come up with???

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The Communists had a law saying you couldn't LEAVE...
Apr 23, 2005 2:29AM PDT

or you'd get shot. But West Germany had no law saying you couldn't escape TO the West. The two situations are not similar at all.

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its still there for the lawfull entery
Apr 21, 2005 11:29PM PDT

but unlawfull entery dosnt give you anything.

i guess you dont beleave in the law

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I may be very wrong
Apr 22, 2005 12:23AM PDT

but for some reason I though you were illegaly immigrated to the US.

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"You"?
Apr 22, 2005 5:18AM PDT

As you have no way of knowing who here is or is not a Native American, or a descendant thereof, you may very well be wrong.

Your use of "you" in lieu of "we" was interesting.

Regardless, there are large populations of your interpretation of "illegal immigrants" , and descendants thereof, in countries both North and South of the US - Spanish, French, etc.

Angeline


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I'm a native American. I was born in Chicago. You probably
Apr 22, 2005 8:02AM PDT

mean the people who, historically, were called Indians. If I'm not native to America, then neither were they. The last I heard, it is believed that they arrived via Siberia. So their forebears may have arrived sooner than mine, but they are no more American than I am.

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lol im was born here my parents were born here
Apr 22, 2005 5:49AM PDT

my grandparents came her from russia/hungary/germany
they learned to speak english because they were proud to be legal citizens.
not see there language on forms.

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How about.........
Apr 22, 2005 12:38AM PDT

entering legally? Or does it escape you that we DO have immigration laws?

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Like other good intentions...
Apr 22, 2005 5:27AM PDT
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Where did it go?
Apr 23, 2005 4:15PM PDT

With the rest of man's promises.

I recently learned a sidelight on the Thos. Jefferson-Sally Hemings situation.
Jefferson catches flak for being a "freedom fighter" who owned slaves. But Fawn Brodie, his famous biographer, wrote in American Heritage magazine some years ago that he fully intended to free all of Monticello's slaves on or just before his death. (Some, especially Sally's children and grandchildren, had found it easy to escape by a simple route which the intelligent Jefferson never managed to plug(!))
So why didn't the Great Man do the liberty thing? Simple: He ran out of money. Monticello had been declining, and the place would have been almost valueless (in that place and time) without its 'complement' of slaves.
Regards, Doug in New Mexico

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Nope...
Apr 21, 2005 11:32PM PDT

While I don't agree with illegal immgration, those that truly look for work will *always* do so. The plain fact even a simple job is so much better than no job at all or pays far better than at home country.

If you really want stop aloy of illegal immigration then stop illegal employment, even with false papers alot of bells should ring when you visit some filled employed needs. Plus, the employers do take advantage of them if not by lower wages at least some benefits aren't given or upon any trouble easily call INS. I'm not talking about produce field labor either, too often illegal employers look for such cheap labor so don't blame a poor pinon trying to feed his/her family back home or trying make a better life as "we all are".

Its hard to stop illegal crossing already, so I guess any added patrols can be welcomed. The more important fact is, those new volunteers aren't trained and/or lack professionalism in these matters and its a open can of worms so anything can happen. It maybe better to err on lack of true Border Patrol(INS) than to rely on such volunteers.

enuf -----Willy

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Ive heard some are from Central/South America
Apr 22, 2005 11:12AM PDT
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My humble opinion...
Apr 22, 2005 6:30PM PDT

Personally I feel divided on the subject.
I feel all who have a willingness to migrate here should be allowed to do so, but provide for themselves and contribute to society. To do this effectively one would need to be employed, which raises the question - How does one become employed in the US without first arriving in the US? The answer is they likely cannot.
So, I say let them come but identify and track each and every one without regard to country of origin. Give them some time (say 90 days) to be employed and paying taxes without assistance from the government. Give them some time (say 1 year) to learn to speak English. Give them some time (Say 2-3 years) to become citizens. failing any of these rules will result in deportation and loss of emigration rights for life.
This may seem a harsh policy to some, others will see it as too easy, but we will have the benefit of knowing what they're doing here and they will have the benefit of working here and living a better life for it.

Don Erickson
California Republican and very proud of it!

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Agree in general
Apr 22, 2005 10:34PM PDT

Though I would not make it a requirement that they eventually seek citizenship. That should be a personal choice.

I think what's needed, and what we are edging toward, is more of a "guest worker" status like some European countries have. Illegal immigration would be more strictly curtailed but people who qualify and join the program could come here to work, pay taxes, etc. and have benefits as well. This should relieve the pressure somewhat and benefit both US and Mexico.

I realize that it's not a perfect idea. There would be all kinds of opportunity for fraud and abuse, but I do think it would be better than what we have now.

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Guest Worker.
Apr 23, 2005 12:50AM PDT

Should they be abale to stay as long as they want to?You don't throw out guests very often in your own home,do you?Especially not if you have invited them yourself.

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Details to be worked out
Apr 23, 2005 1:11AM PDT

I am sure there would have to be rules as to how long and under what circumstances people would stay.

And, yeah, if houseguests overstayed I would ask them politely to leave. Not that anyone I know would be so rude. Usually we want them to stay longer.

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(NT) (NT) I understand that perfectly.
Apr 23, 2005 4:48AM PDT
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but these arent invited there just like
Apr 23, 2005 1:17AM PDT

cockroaches you let 1 in next thing you no 100 more.

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Cockroaches?
Apr 23, 2005 4:52AM PDT

Aren't you slightly over the border here?I saw the movie Hotel Rwanda the other day and the Hutus called the Tutsies cockroaches too.That was considered rude.It's rude even if it comes out of your keyboard Mark.

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(NT) (NT) No, read again. He didn't call anyone a cockroach.
Apr 23, 2005 5:55AM PDT
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i still say it 1 ileagle person
Apr 23, 2005 5:55AM PDT

and have a good day watch out for the raid you mite be next

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Mark - What are you saying?
Apr 23, 2005 8:00AM PDT

I have bitten my tounge - so to speak - about some of the things you write, I often thought about whether your comments derive from ignorance, spiteful anger or some vile attempt at humor. I will draw the line here as I cannot let this pass. You are crossing the line as posted earlier and you need to check your attitude at the door when you arrive. One finds it impossible to have a dialect with you if you disagree with the other. Many people here can and do disagree with each other without decending to name calling and other hurtful speech. Call me what you will Mark, I take offence to you sometimes and thought you should know this.

My prayers to you,

Don Erickson
California Republican and very proud of it!

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and as if i care that you take offense don't read then
Apr 23, 2005 1:35PM PDT

but i stand by what i said you don't like it to bad.

there like cockroaches we need to tighten our boarders.
if they have nothing to hide let them enter legally, or not at all.

my grandparents came here landed at the statue of liberty entered the USA all legal.
what gives these people the right to break the law?

so we need build wall keep them out send the ones here now that are breaking the law back.

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(NT) (NT) Once again you've missed the point
Apr 23, 2005 4:31PM PDT
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(NT) (NT) if that makes you feel happy thats good.
Apr 24, 2005 12:54AM PDT