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Man convicted of plot to bomb busy New York subway station

May 24, 2006 8:52AM PDT

NEW YORK (AP) ? A Pakistani immigrant was convicted Wednesday of charges he plotted to blow up one of Manhattan's busiest subway stations in retaliation for the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.
A federal jury in Brooklyn deliberated two days before convicting Shahawar Matin Siraj of conspiracy and other charges. He faces up to life in prison.

The defense had sought to portray Siraj, 23, as an impressionable simpleton who was lured into a phony plot by a paid informant eager to earn his keep. Prosecutors disputed that claim, arguing that even if it was not the defendant's idea to bomb a subway station, no law-abiding citizen would have gone along with it.

U.S. Attorney Todd Harrison suggested to jurors that "normal people" like them would have responded, "Excuse me, are you crazy? Thanks, but no thanks."

brings to my mind the song
lets lock the door and throw away the key to mindHappy

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-05-24-subway-plot_x.htm

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I don't defend terrorism of any kind
May 24, 2006 9:45AM PDT

but what would you do if you had been a victim of the tortures of Abu Gharib? Do you think you would want revenge? And if it wasn't you but your friends (lets say Jews), how would you feel? You usually express tremendous hate and a desire for violent retaliation when something happens to ''your side''. Is this any different? I am against ALL terrorism and this case too so you don't have to come back with ''what about the beheadings'' and all that. Just tell me what you would feel if it was the other way around in the case of Abu Gharib (American or Jewish prisoners being tortured).

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i dont agree that there was any torture
May 24, 2006 9:55AM PDT

and there 2 diferent things

and when it comes to war you do what you need to

showing them pictures, loud music lights on all time isnt torture.

and the 911 was because of what?

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OK. I just wondered.
May 24, 2006 9:03PM PDT

9-11. I don't really know what the purpose, apart from destroying a symbol of the enemy's, was. If there was anything deeper than that. But I would assume they wanted the US forces out of the middle east and they thought that that was a rational way of doing so. If they thought at all.

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What's your point...
May 24, 2006 3:36PM PDT

What's your point? What would you do if you had been a victim of the "Hanoi Hilton" in Vietnam? Do you think you would want revenge? Why should Mark be the only one to have "what if" questions asked of him?

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Defending terrorists? Rationalizing?
May 24, 2006 8:42PM PDT
A high school dropout who drew the attention of undercover police with his anti-American rants after Sept. 11 was convicted Wednesday of plotting to blow up one of Manhattan's busiest subway stations in retaliation for the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.

Sounds to me like he had a hatred of the US long before Abu Ghraib. That's just a convenient excuse.

Who cares what he feels? You can't defend or rationaslize it.