Majority says government a threat to citizens' rights

They must agree with it

... partisan slant that always involves finger pointing.

Both parties are at fault... both parties insist on protecting the rights of everyone EXCEPT the common citizen that they pledge to serve when they take the oath of office. Obama pledged to get our rights back, and then found out he liked the leverage such legislation gave him. So what? Bush and his ilk pushed the rape of our civil rights through in the first place, yet I don't see you mentioning that huge fact. But still... so what? The real issue is that such tools that can be used against us are still in existence. What are we doing about that, hmmmm?

Talk about something the founding fathers would have fought against if they lived today !!!

Until you wake up and see that the problems of government are shared by everyone (even us, the voters who insist on reelecting these bozos), you will always be supporting 50 % of the problem creators.

In short... I never see you comment about the problems, all I ever see you do is jump to point the finger at democrats, liberals, al gore, et al. You need to realize that modern politics as a whole, have become rotten and decayed. We don't discuss what is right for the country anymore... we discuss what is good for the party. You need to put down the kool-aid and wake up and smell the coffee.

is exactly what you are doing.

"Obama pledged to get our rights back..."

He did? When were they gone? The survey refers to the present day, NOW, not some past day. Note that in the survey it's Democrats who DON'T think the government threatens our rights so much as the Republicans and Independents. Maybe, just MAYBE one side is more right than the other.

"Bush and his ilk pushed the rape of our civil rights through in the first place, yet I don't see you mentioning that huge fact."

Complete idiotic hogwash. Which rights did you lose, Grim? What can't you do now that you could do before? As you SHOULD know the Patriot Act was passed by both parties and was tested by the courts and found NOT to be a violation of civil rights. It's not a huge fact. it's a huge lie.

C'mon Ed don't you think idiotic is a bit strong?

warrantless eavesdropping


What can't you do now that you could do before?

How bout you answering your own question, since I know how you feel about the guy in power.

Are you out of lefty blog talking points yet?

Yes. People who can think for themselves rarely repeat others' thoughts verbatim as you seem to do so often.

Bye bye.

#People who can think for themselves rarely repeat others' thoughts#

so..........if only "original" thoughts are allowed, what do other people say/talk about?

i would say that "original" thoughts are about as rare as "new" jokes,
i.e. few and far between

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You can be a parrot or you can apply thought to existing concepts, compare, contrast, accept or reject. Too many just echo the cliches.

The man rationalizes his own behavior all the time. He demands proof for innocuous statements but refuses to give the same when he is put on the spot. His arguments often depend on the logic that if he says something is the case, then it simply is. You can't have a conversation with an ideologue that depends on cliches to support his position.

You can't have a conversation with an ideologue that depends on cliches to support his position. unquote

As was demonstrated perfectly by Obama during 'his' summit the other day....especially when his final statements supposedly gave 'six weeks' as a timetable for finding bipartisanship, but in the same breath dictated that the Dems would go forward with a new plan by this coming week and 'elections' would decide later.

TONI H

... where is the cliche ?

under FDR. That was the beginning of it.

So why resist/complain?

you sure about that?

OP header says:
Majority says government a threat to citizens' rights

the first sentence of the article says:
A majority of Americans think the federal government poses a threat to rights of Americans

only the third sentence says:
they think the federal government's become so large and powerful that it poses an immediate threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens

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almost reminds me of the list of ingredients on a can of chicken soup,
always listed with the largest (most important) percentage first

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is still law, and thus is certainly part of the government, just like every other law buried in the books.

And it did make huge changes in the way some things were quasi-legally done.

If you want to talk about big government, that encompasses all of it, not just the bit enacted last month, last year, or last decade. It's the sum that determines the size after-all.

Just because something is a decade old, or a five decades old, doesn't mean it can't be a problem or need review, revision, or modification.

Which was my point.

That the Patriot Act is there for defense of the nation, which is one of the Federal Government's tasks specifically mandated by the Constitution, unlike the many entitlements. social engineering programs and welfare state giveaways that have been loaded on over the years.

Whether it does so properly or not is another discussion that should be conducted rationally. Talk of "Bush raping civil rights" is just the usual propaganda from the lunatic fringe.

You do realize I hope, that it was brought up only as an attempt to hijack/derail the discussion and start a political argument. S.O.P. for some.