Madonna's giant cross 'offensive'

to Islam?

Mark, you keep bringing Islam up. Over and over. Madonna and Islam have very little in common. As far as I know Madonna belongs to some Jewish organization even if she wasn't born Jewish.

Mark was comparing the Christians to Muslims in the respect that the Church could learn to raise as ruckus as Muslims have done in the past when they feel offended.

You seem to enjoy getting into clashes with Mark.

suggesting, baiting are you??

By the way, "moi?" means "me?" in some foreign lamguage or another.

lets see now she poses on a cross church gets upset, man makes a cartoon muslums riot.
man hands the fictious book koran with left hand muslums get upset.
moddona has a black christ church gets upset.
both are stupid

I am more curious why you HAVE to involve the Muslims in EVERY post about religion. Your hate towards those people must be so big that you probably have nightmares about them!

Mark, let's try to isolate each case for what it is. And in the case of Madonna she's just another jewish believer (at least she claims to be so) and hasn't even brought up the Muslims.

When talking politics - Leave Kerry out of it (he's not the president and I know you think that is good).

When talking religion don't always involve Islam and especialy not when the topic has nthing to do with it as was the case here. She's a Jew (converted) and that's what you should focus on!

or at least, you seem to think so.

LOL! I just stated my opinion about Mark's way of constantly involving issues that aren't discussed. If that makes me a boss, please let Lee know. I don't feel like a boss. My income from CNet is definitely not like a boss'. I may have a good income, but not from here Ed. That I can assure you!

which you apparently did not undrerstand. It looked to me like you were telling him what to do.

Seems to me thta you are very eager to jump on Mark at every opportunity.

as far as i know, she hasn't...

she's study the kabbala and is buying a house here, that's as far as it goes....

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Catholic, Italian girl.

What does it take?

i showed you examples of idiocy but then it went over your head i give up terry your to ..... what ever

... but this is about the same analogy as trying to compare Gonzalez stating reporters can be prosecuted with some action by the Gestapo.

Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc., all have their beliefs. You don't have to agree with them, but they deserve to be respected in that people should not go out of their way to offend them or misrepresent them. The "going out of their way to" is the important part of that sentence, because we would all be walking around on pins and needles and turn to mutes if we couldn't do anything that *might* be seen as offensive by someone, somewhere.

The reaction on the part of Christians is entirely different from that of radical Islam. Nobody is calling for Madonna to actually be hung from a cross, or for Dan Brown to be ritually mortified for their actions. The Islamic rioters, OTOH, are calling for beheading of any who even chuckle at a Mohammed cartoon. HUGE difference dontcha think?

It is not stupid for the church that christened Madonna's child to publically rebuke her disgusting behavior (they shouldn't have christened the child, but in my experience there will always be a liberal church to be found that will perform such -- it's more disheartening that Madonna hasn't outgrown her penchant for offending that which she seems to seek). It's not stupid for the Catholic Church and Opus Dei to oppose a work of "fiction" that "names names" and paints a pretty inflammatory picture of them. It's barbaric for the radical Muslims to resort to violence against all the infidels. But surely you can see just how ridiculous your comparison is?

Please don't continue it.

Evie

#we would all be walking around on pins and needles and turn to mutes if we couldn't do anything that *might* be seen as offensive by someone, somewhere#

i think you just described 21st century America (and other parts of the western world )

jonah "thank god i won't be around in 50 years to see a world ruled by PC" jones

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... that the INTENT matters greatly. In fighting against stifling PC we must be careful not to excuse the truly offensive actions done deliberately.

says sue the theaters etc.
and if i draw a cartoon of a muslum ill be banished or killed

where was the outrage when there was drawings saying jews killed babys?

seems to me if you (not refering to you evie) have so little faith in your religion says all.

... is not even remotely equivalent to violent riots, calling for beheading, etc. I'm not sure what you are talking about with the Jews, but I would bet there was outrage from the ADL, and don't underestimate the contributions Christians are making every day to wipe out antisemetism.

It's not about questioning faith or the strength of one's faith.

In the DaVinci Code case, let's say Oliver Stone decided to do a ''fictional novel'' about YOUR unit (using its real designation and the real names of the members) in Viet Nam. He showed accurate newsfootage of TV reports of the day, beautiful accurate portrayals of the landscape, etc. Only he decided that the ''fiction'' would be that your unit murdered innocent civilians. Do you THINK you might be offended? Do you think a disclaimer might be in order? How about if Oliver Stone MC did that movie centuries from now and your unit still existed? Might you be offended or at least want a disclaimer that it is fiction??? That is no different really than what is done in the DVC book/movie.

I think the calls for boycotting are wrongheaded, but harmless. NO comparison to the reactions of the Imams and rank and file radicals. The continued comparison IS offensive. I'll ask again to please refrain from making it.

Evie

seems funny to get outraged over a movie

... I suggested *funny*??? Somehow, I think not.

I understand it is fiction. But they didn't even bother changing the names.

There's nothing in the Church's response to the book or movie that bears even a passing resemblance to Islamofascist tactics/behavior.

I understand you believe the Bible to be fiction, and the faith parts can indeed fit the definition for many. But much of its content is indisputable fact (e.g. Jesus was a real person whether or not you want to believe anything else about him). Opus Dei is a very REAL organization. It has every right, even a responsibility, to refute slanderous "fiction" about the organization.

Evie

this sort of imagery has been used countless times by artists of all kinds in the past. I'm sure Madonna was thinking, "What can I do to outrage people, cause controversey and get lots of publicity." They fell for it.

She does these things on purpose just to be outrageous and create exactly this kind of publicity for herself. It's vintage Madonna.