Children learn hate...they aren't born with it. When will adults ever figure it out? I've said it before...I would rather my children were around loving and people-tolerant homosexuals than hate-filled, intolerant straights full of fear.
TONI
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Louisiana boy punished for talking about gay mom
LAFAYETTE, Louisiana (AP) -- A 7-year-old boy was scolded and forced to write "I will never use the word 'gay' in school again" after he told a classmate about his lesbian mother, the American Civil Liberties Union alleged Monday.
Second-grader Marcus McLaurin was waiting for recess November 11 at Ernest Gaullet Elementary School when a classmate asked about Marcus' mother and father, the ACLU said in a complaint.
Marcus responded he had two mothers because his mother is gay. When the other child asked for explanation, Marcus told him: "Gay is when a girl likes another girl," according to the complaint.
A teacher who heard the remark scolded Marcus, telling him "gay" was a "bad word" and sending him to the principal's office. The following week, Marcus had to come to school early and repeatedly write: "I will never use the word 'gay' in school again."
Sounds to me like the boy was doing perfectly well with his parents' sexual orientation. Pity the same couldn't be said for his teacher or principal.
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Hi Toni. I agree, if an issue had not been made the only thing that might have happened is the child would have asked his parents to explain it more fully, and that's as it should be. But Toni ,and I am guilty too, in another message on the forum of using Thumper. Now I'm wondering if we may have used a derrogatory expression. If so mea culpa for my use,
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who, like this teacher and principal, forced their own sick moralities on a youngster by using their profession to do so and now has raised questions in his mind about whether he has to look at his 'parents' differently. If Thumper is a derogatory term for those types of people, they've earned it and more.
TONI
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#I would rather my children were around loving and people-tolerant homosexuals than hate-filled, intolerant straights full of fear#
you think straights are normally "hate-filled, intolerant and full of fear"?
you think gays are normally "loving and people-tolerant"?
in a pigs!
you think 'teachers and principals' are supposed to leave their values and ideals outside the school walls?
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straight bashing by gays have been documented compared to the gay bashing by straights...and not just beating them up, but killing them outright?
2. Professionals don't have to leave their morals at home....they need to learn how to not inflict them via punishment on others just because they are in a position to do so. They are supposedly trained as teachers to show tolerance for variances in their students' home lives and deal with it appropriately. You don't punish a child for talking about how his father is in jail for bank robbery, just as you don't punish a child for explaining what gay means. Are you going to tell me that the teacher and principal wouldn't have punished that child if he had used the word lesbian instead and yet both words are common descriptions used world-wide?
TONI
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Try MOST EVERY televised "Gay Pride" parade and the various banners hoisted.
"Are you going to tell me that the teacher and principal wouldn't have punished that child if he had used the word lesbian instead and yet both words are common descriptions ..."
Are you going to say they would have? ESPECIALLY since none of us actually KNOW what exactly was said?
How do YOU or anyone else here actually KNOW what specific word was used because the ONLY quote was from the complaint and the complaint may well have had other quoted phrases that mitigated the emotive context of the story.
"Conclusion Jumping" is not a recognized sport but it sure is popular with some.
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That child has been damaged more by the teachers actions than the mother could do in a whole lifetime.
That teacher should think herself lucky that I am not the head there - she would be out on her ****.
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Sure, they have a right to their morals and values. However, they have a duty and a responsibility to not impose them upon malleable and easily influenced young minds. Their duty is to reinforce and teach the values of society at large, not those coloured by their own personal attitudes.
As an example of this, taking this beyond the small child, to show this includes any level of education. When i was a student, the NUS (national Union of Students), got up a series of anti-Nazi demonstrations against a senior lecturer at one of Yorkshire's main Higher Ed. Colleges.
The reason? Because he was head of Government and Politics at the college, but he was also both a full card carrying member of the National Front (one of the UK's largest nazi groups), and the chairman of the Yorkshire branch of that party.
It was felt that because of his political extremism (the NF espouses forced repatriation, denying basic rights to non-whites, and thumps the "Britain for Whites Only" drum), it was inappropriate for him to be head of a department and senior lecturer in poltical teaching to groups of students aged 16-21.
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....she wasn't talking about ALL straights vs. ALL gays. Take two couples. One is a straight couple that happens to be very bigoted and hateful. The other is a gay couple that happens to be loving and tolerant of all people. Assuming all other factors are the same (economic status, etc.), which couple do you think would provide a better home for a child?
And yes, teachers and principals are supposed to leave their personal opinions at the door. What if the teacher was an anti-Semite?
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oh come on Josh, that's not even an equation...
it all boils down to "for" or "against"....
i happen to be "against"...
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as a non-schizophrenic, basically i'm neither
what exactly are you asking me?
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You were given the choice of a hate filled couple and a loving couple. You said you were against. Were you against the hate filled couple or the loving couple?
Dan
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i said A: it's not even an equation (i.e. as Josh asked the question, it is, for me at least, unanswerable -it ranks with "have you stopped beating your wife?"
and B: and my "for" or "against" was referring to the matter of homosexuality
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...that in this context he would constitute half of a hate-filled couple. It's too bad and really ironic too, since he lives in a place where hate is killing innocent people almost every day.
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It's more likely Jonah is tripping over the use of a word like "couple" to describe one of the two groups refered to.
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i suggest you stop "thinking" josh, cos you ain't doing it too well!
do you realise, you just said "jonahs wife is one half of a hate filled couple"
wtg josh!!
you don't know jack about me and your passing sentence!!!
good bye!
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You're right; I don't know anything about your wife and it's not necessary for both halves of a couple to be hateful for the environment to be a bad one. So how about this: two couples, half of the straight couple is hate-filled but neither half of the gay couple is hate-filled. Which pair makes the better parents?
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as a non-schizophrenic, basically i'm neither
what exactly are you asking me?
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He is referred to as 'Patient Zero' not because he was the first to be diagnosed with the disease but rather because at least 40 of the 248 people diagnosed with AIDS by April 1982 had either had sex with him or with someone who had.
Hmmmm, how many others than the 40 infected ones were part of his concept of "loving couple"?
So, what constitutes a "loving couple"? According to Patient Zero, we know it took at least 40 people (probably more) to create a "loving couple".
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Hi, James.
Patient Zero is as relevant to the concept of a gay loving couple as are straights who frequent Plato's Retreat to the concept of a heterosexual loving couple. I will grant that a smaller percentage of homosexuals are probably involved in loving monogamous relationships that is true of heterosexuals, but there's a real question as to whether that's at all inherent in homosexuality, or a function of how society treats homosexuals -- for example, by ridiculing the very idea of a loving, faithful, homosexual couple.
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by straights, married or otherwise.
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However hetero promiscuity, as bad as it is, doesn't spread HIV as quickly as anal intercourse accomplishes.
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