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looking for memory

Feb 16, 2006 7:47AM PST

I need more memory. I found some but I ran into a new term for me. What does "low density" mean? Here is what I found on "Price Watch". "Generic OEM 512 mb true pc 2100, 266 mhz ddr, cl 2.5, 184 pin, dimm low density, industry standard". Everything matches my manual. But I don't know what "low density" means or even if I should worry about it.

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No, if it was High Density and
Feb 16, 2006 9:32AM PST

your system was rather old, then you may want to check further.

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low density = low chip count
Feb 16, 2006 9:45AM PST

There are different layouts of different types of chips. With some types of chips, a lot of the inter-circuitry (bit-wise) is inside the chip. Having that then the number of chips needed would be fewer, giving you a low density.

If you compare some RAM boards to others, all being the exact same Megabytes, same speed, and everything else, AND YET the number of chips on some of the boards might be fewer - maybe quite a bit fewer. That is a low density board. And having fewer chips generally means (all other things being equal) that the low density boards will generally use less power.

So, low density is a good thing. You should not care about the term, usually, unless you are a ''must have the latest and greatest'' freak. Just make sure you match your number of pins on the board, and has the speed, and data rate you want.

Whatever you go with, and to a slight point you can actually mix up some memory speeds, just as long as the pinouts, and voltage requirements are the same. But also know that if you put faster memory in, with your current ''slow'' memory, your system will only run at the slower speed.

An example, I just added 1 Gigabyte of 533MHz (PC4300) memory to my existing 512MB 400MHz (memory speed) Dell PC. The PC automatically kept the clock speed to 400MHz.I decided to remove the 512MB ''slow'' memory and now my PC automatically adjusted to 533MHz.

I decided I'd rather have 1GB running at full 533MHz speed, rather than 1.5GB running at the slower 400MHz speed.

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Chuck T. Are you certain
Feb 16, 2006 11:16PM PST

about the meaning of low density??? My understanding is that the term refers to the individual DIMMs NOT the memory circuit card.

Why else would the High Density be the newer type? My understanding is that "high density" refers to the fact that far more MB of memory is on a single DIMM.

It has been normal for many years to pack more and more memory into smaller spaces.

It is true that having higher density DIMMs can result in using fewer DIMMs on a memory stick for a given amount of memory.

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Density here, density there, density everywhere
Feb 17, 2006 7:00AM PST

Granted, you COULD refer to the micro-components inside an individual chip as being some level of density. That is a memory chip with a 128 million bits of memory is less dense than one with 512 bits of memory. Or you could refer to the density, or chip population on the surface of the board denoting the density, where fewer chips is less dense than one with more chips. And to get to the same amount of memory capacity on one memory board (a SIMM, or DIMM, etc.) with high-density individual chips creates a low density board, or vice-versa.

But jbndhs mentions a spec for a board of ''low density'' memory. That is a selling point. Companies would not normally mention less-desirable features in their literature. You don't see company's mention in their specs things like: old style or slower or ugly. My point being that since the spec mentions it is ''low density'' that is not going to be a bad thing, but they are mentioning a good thing, and the good thing is that there are a low amount of chips on the board - meaning less power consumption.

If you read through bob b's pointed to link, you will see that the person there mentions that boards with more chips is considered ''high density'' and is usually the old style and thus cheaper. Even though bob b seems to think that the article says ''that the number of chips on the module does not have much to do with high/low density.'' In fact, the pointed to article does specify the difference exactly.

That same article does also mention just what I said before, and that is if you can find memory that matches your spec-ed needs (pin out, voltage, speed, etc.) for the price you want to pay, buy it. Forget about the term ''density'' unless you must have the latest and greatest. (and high-density chips make for low density, low chip count, memory boards).

Given the same specs for different types of boards, and for the same or nearly the same cost, I would go with the low density boards because they usually use less power.

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For what it's worth, I'm with you at least partly.
Feb 17, 2006 11:02AM PST

My understanding was ... higher density meant DIMMs with the same amount of memory with fewer RAM chips. So in one case you have a 128MB DIMM with 4-32MB chips vs 8-16MB chips. And it usually adversely affected older systems designed to work with low density chips when the mfgs start producing higher density chips and they either don't work at all or erractically.

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You have it backwards
Feb 17, 2006 4:47AM PST

As another poster has already pointed out.
For example:
"The 256 MB low density module will have 16 chips and the high density module will have 8 chips. The 128 MB low density module will have 8 chips and the high density module will have 4 chips"

It requires more, usually twice as many, chips on a low density module to achieve the same MB count as the high density module.

So, low density is not a good thing, it's not particularly bad either, just much older technology. If you machine can only handle low density modules then that is what you should use. A lot of older machines cannot handle high density modules because of the way that the memory on these modules must be addressed.

If you are ever in any doubt about what sort of memory your machine needs, check out Crucial.com or Ramjet.com and use their configuration tables.

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Hmmm.
Feb 17, 2006 5:13AM PST
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Don't worry
Feb 16, 2006 9:52AM PST

(This is pretty weird, I just replied, and my message did appear, but now it doesn't ... ?
and the forum says there are 3 messages here, but I only see 2 ???
Well, heck, I'll just see if I can reply again, briefly...)

No, don't worry about 'low density' that is a good thing. Low density only means it has fewer chips on the whole board to do the exact same thing. And fewer chips generally (not always) means less power needed.

So, if all the other specs work for you, go with the low density.

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Thanks
Feb 16, 2006 11:56AM PST

Thanks Guys!!!

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Don'y worry is right but...
Feb 17, 2006 11:23AM PST

RE Messages disappearing ...I've had the same thing happen lately.

RE: "No, don't worry about 'low density' that is a good thing. Low density only means it has fewer chips on the whole board to do the exact same thing. And fewer chips generally (not always) means less power needed."

What is your source for this information ? My understanding has always been just the opposite. As mfgs developed higher density RAM chips which could ultimately increase the MBs of RAM on a SIMM or DIMM, they also put some of those high density RAM chips on SIMMs or DIMMs but fewer of them for the desired total RAM. Only problem was the higher density chips just didn't work on a lot of older MBs. Unfortunately lots of advertisers weren't specific enough about their RAM products and neither were the MB mfgs about the RAM types for their MBs. Needles to say...many were disappointed to find their purchases didn't work because of chip density issues. I recently saw a posting by an indivitual with that exact problem on high density 1GB DIMMs...it just didn't work on his MB.

Would love to learn more if there's an authoritative source we can look to.

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I may have found the answer
Feb 17, 2006 12:26PM PST

or part of it. The newer high density DIMM's have two full banks [64 bits] of memory. This is why a 1 MB stick of the newer high density memory may only show 512 MB [as stated in a link provided by another in this thread] on an older mobo. The old mobo bus system only can address one bank. .

I do not know the reason, but I am suspecting that it MAY be related to putting Dual Channel on Athlon XP mobos. I always wonder how they supported Dual Channel yet only had three memory slots. Again, not sure, but I think that with the high density memory sticks having two complete banks, they could actually have each bank connected to a separate 64 bit memory bus, which Intel did using pairs of memory sticks.

Still researching this to be sure.