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Little Boxes, written by Malvina Reynolds, popularized by

Pete Seeger, (who may well be viewed askance by much of SE owing to allegations of Communist Party membership though I am unaware of any proof, and J. Edgar Hoover was inclined to throw around allegations like they were confetti). My favorite lyric of her's is a protest and boycott song which ends "Come clean, Colgate Palmolive, come clean!!!" Colgate Palmolive of course make soap, just in case Keyhoti doesn't know.

Rob Boyter

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Was this supposed to be connected to something?

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I like the song, and I enjoy Pete Seeger, but I'm puzzling over the point of your post.

One of my vivid memories of the "Little Boxes" song is that we used it in a music class way back in elementary school, but our music teacher taught us different words instead of "and drink their martinis dry" - I never knew what the original words were until he slipped up one time.

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Yes Dr Bill, Keyhoti created a post quoting Little Boxes

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in another thread but there was no room to reply to it so I created a whole new one which has both reached it's intended target (Keyhoti) and created new conversations and associations which are terrific. I am very happy with this outcome.

You see I have this problem, I have a Velcro memory. Things go in and stick. And I feel compelled to share them as the opportunity arises. It's no big thing, there's no ego involvement, it's just information. I like sharing and learning. Sort of like that reading list I offered in your direction.

Rob Boyter

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Velcro memory

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Apt, very apt.

Some people have said, to me, "How do you know that?" And some others, "Aren't you lucky having such a good memory."

Luck, or a curse? Moot point.

An anecdote to illustrate:

My wife and I were watching "carols by candlelight" from the Melbourne Music Bowl and the traditional rendition of the "Hallelujah Chorus" came up, up went the volume on the TV and I immersed myself in the glorious, soaring, many-layered composition of my favourite composer (well next to Jagger/Richard, Paul Simon, Jimi Hendrix, Mozart, Bob Dylan and all the rest who have addressed varied aspects of my life).

Anyhow the performance connected me back nearly sixty years, to when I was six and begged to be allowed to stay up to listen to the whole "Messiah" on the radio. And I commented to my wife how lucky I am to have had the same piece of music as a favourite for virtually my whole life ... well and "the Teddy Bears Picnic" too, but I long since stopped requesting it.

Lucky? Well yes, but my mother had not long since died and my father had disastrously remarried in great haste, so my life was hardly filled with glorious sounds, but more scared only lonely moments sitting on the stairs listening to rows. I cannot possibly forget that aspect of those years, nor friends whose fathers never came back from WW2 ... and so much more, both good and bad.

Maybe that is why, when I hear people putting too much sugar-coating on life, I feel an urge to play/sing, "I see a red rose and I want it to turn black, no colours anywhere ..."

So "velcro memory" does seem rather apt Rob.

All the very best to you (it is now early Boxing Day here and I am not too hung-over ... can even remember Christmas Day), Gerry

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Recall defect

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Re "Little Boxes".

In what Rob thought to make another thread out of, I seem to recall that I was criticizing the attitude that the president can never be wrong, which I recall Pete Seeger also doing (or maybe it was Joan Baez, but that's no significant diff).

In any case I wrongly connected that criticism and "Little Boxes", because that specific criticism was in, "What did you learn in school today, dear little boy of mine? ...."

Right people, right era, but a case of my hard drive having compressed memory a bit too much.

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A possible link comes to mind ...

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On the same Pete Seeger album from the Carnegie Hall concert where he sings "Little Boxes" he also sings "What did you learn in school today". I don't have the CD handy, but IIRC they are juxtaposed.

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Ta Bill

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Ain't it nice to be able to actually help each other.

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With regard to a Pete Seeger song relating to the Viet Nam

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War and criticism of the president, it may have been "The Big Muddy" (Hope that's the title).

The chorus varies but it runs something like:

"We're foot-deep (ankle-deep, knee-deep, waist-deep) in the Big Muddy and the Big Fool says to move on".

The story of involvement in a quagmire. I remember it as an anti-LBJohnson song so its pre 1969. Its definitely not on the Carnegie hall concert.

Rob B

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i think i once had a tape of him singing

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'lyndon johnson told the nation, got no time for escelation.....'

a tom paxton song....


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Waist Deep

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I think that's the song that caused one showing of The Smothers Brothers to be banned from airing many local stations.

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Pete Seeger

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is a one of the truely genuine "folk" singer/collectors alive today. His life history is amazing. I know he was with the Almanac Singers, and Weavers (the later of which I think we have a complete collection in our home). The folk boom of the sixties was full of good music but by the more commercial artists. Still, many are sung but few know where they came from. My wife and I were able to see Pete only once. We also went to see Odetta (F Gordon) and John Jacob Niles (author of "I wonder as I wonder" though he was more an athiestic sort). Don't get me started. I love the real stuff.

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Odetta

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"take this hammer" and "another man done gone" (both songs also recorded splendidly by the late johnny cash)

she also recorded an album of bob dylan songs (excelllent!), but i think her best song is "in the pines"

in the pines, in the pines, where the sun never shines,
you shiver when the cold wind blows
in the pines, in the pines, where the sun never shines,
you shiver the whole night through....


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That one was ...

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as far as I recall:

"Black girl, black girl (then something about her husband was a railroad man who died at the driving wheel in some train crash).

I have no idea what the relevance this has to what Pete Seeger sang, other than that "Little Boxes" had the same author (formerly I have imagined that Pete Seeger wrote "Little Boxes".

It is all irrelevent in any case, because I first mentioned Pete Seeger in the context of the Vietnam War and the, then, situation that large numbers of Americans believed that the president was above criticism/ must not be questioned/is always right ... and so on.

Guess what!

Large numbers of SE members now believe that Bush is always right ... nothing learned from the history of some forty years ago, even by some of those who lived through that disgraceful period of US history.

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Re: guess what

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A: if free wheeling, train of thought, and natural continuity posts bug you..... then SE isn't the place for you....

B: if you HAVE to "bash Bush" at every opportunity, SE isn't the place for you....

C: the song that i posted the chorus line to is called "in the pines" or "my girl" or "black girl" and even "where did you sleep last night?" -although there are at least 3 songs that i know of with this title, only one is a cover to 'in the pines'-(depending which version you heard) written by (if i'm not mistaken) Leadbelly, and has been recorded by (amongst others) leadbelly, odetta, pete seeger, masters apprentices, the luvin(sp) brothers, donovan, joan baez, nirvana, dolly parton, long john baldry, and the four pennies....


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(NT) (NT) Can you see the irony in your post?

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We have some of her older stuff

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including slave songs. Also have some older Judy Collins and other folk artists before they became too PC themselves. Great stuff. Have one by Judy called "Bonnie ship the Diamond" that's about whaling but not critical of it. She would never do such songs later in her life.

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You probably know this and I hope I'm not boring you

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but Pete, Peggy and Mike Seeger were the children of Charles and Mary Seeger who were among the earliest musicologists who studied American Folksongs as a living orally transmitted cultural source. They worked, I think, in conjunction with the Library of Congress.

Pete we know well.

Peggy went to England and married Ewan MacColl an extraordinary song writer and singer who did programs for the BBC in the 50's and who worked with Peggy for decades. They had a daughter Kirsty MacColl who recorded A Fairytale of New York with the Pogues about Christmas which you may have heard.

Mike did "Old Timey" Stringband music with the New Lost City Ramblers and as a solo and with his wife Hazel Dickens. I love them all, used to know Mike a little in my folk music days when I could still play guitar decently.

Rob Boyter

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Not bored at all

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I am somewhat aware of other Seeger familiy members including Ewan MacColl who died a while back. As I type this, I have a Christmas music CD of the Seegar family (Ewan is part of it) on (double album). This is not stuff the average listener would get much from in the way of listening pleasure. But, what it really is part of history and maintaining it in a unique and, if I might add, important way. One cannot get the full measure of enjoyment from folk music without some background information. I was a poor history student but, could I have learned it through the music, I would have excelled. It breathes much life into our heritage and we collect as much as we can. Commercialism has stolen a wonderful way history has been transmitted from one generation to the next. Sad

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And if you are interested,

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explore the collected music of Francis Child. His songs are by number and will be categorized as well. These are mostly english and scottish pieces (ballads) but many songs are well known. More recent american collections are by from John and Alan Lomax. Possibly the most well known music collector was Robert Burns. These folks had to dig through the hills and valleys to find these pieces of history and make sure they are preserved.

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Thanks Steve, as an old and still not entirely re-construct

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ed Folkie I know the Child ballads well.

Our family Christmas favorite is For Pence and Spicy Ale and Fire and Frost both by the Watersons, and "Mellow with Honey from the Horn"?? by two transplanted Englishmen who live in and used to tour in the States during the summers called John Roberts and Tony Barrand. Our copies are old vinyl Topic and Philo recordings transferred to casettes.

Rob B

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Little Boxes (Ticky Tacky)

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Written by: Malvina Reynolds
Artist: Pete Seeger
From the album: We Shall Overcome (Pete Seeger at Carnegie Hall)
Originally released: 1963

Notes:
Malvina Reynolds was born in San Francisco in 1900, but spent most of her
life in Berkeley. 'Little Boxes' was the most popular of Malvina Reynolds's
many songs. Reynolds got the inspiration for 'Little Boxes' in 1961 while
driving to an engagement in Palo Alto. Legend has it that she looked up at a
pastel-colored Daly City hill-side and said to her husband: "Bud, take the
wheel. I feel a song coming on."

Pete Seeger remembers meeting Reynolds in 1947 when she spoke to him at a
hootenanny, saying: 'I'd like to try doing what you do, making up songs and
singing them." Sixteen years later Seeger performed 'Little Boxes' at his
Carnegie hall concert. The rest is folk music history.


Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes made of ticky-tacky,
Little boxes, little boxes,
Little boxes, all the same.
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one
And they're all made out of ticky-tacky
And they all look just the same.

And the people in the houses
All go to the university,
And they all get put in boxes,
Little boxes, all the same.
And there's doctors and there's lawyers
And business executives,
And they're all made out of ticky-tacky
And they all look just the same.

And they all play on the golf-course,
And drink their Martini dry,
And they all have pretty children,
And the children go to school.
And the children go to summer camp
And then to the university,
And they all get put in boxes
And they all come out the same.

And the boys go into business,
And marry, and raise a family,
And they all get put in boxes,
Little boxes, all the same.
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one
And they're all made out of ticky-tacky
And they all look just the same

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Saw her live twice in her 70's , Such a great lady

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and a first rate songwriter.

Rob B

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Thanks MKay

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I am unable to be as exact as many of you folks, partly because I grew up in England and was more remote from source, and partly because I lost my entire collection of vinyl, etc. (another story) and so can only rely on stored data.

Any time I get my wires crossed, please let me know.

Best wishes, Gerry

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(NT) (NT) Cool Mkay, thanks -- interesting!

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Well Rob

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I assume that you too would like to raise current awareness to the kind of level that came towards the end of the Vietnam War, but instead your attempt to make current relevence of my reference to Pete Seeger has collapsed into trivia.

And numbers of my comments are simply missing

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(NT) (NT) "Head on" is not necessarily the best approach, Key

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(NT) (NT) I agree and apologize

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that was his head?

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*coulda fooled me*

Wink


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It's just that kind of ...

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dumb and cheap shot which inclines me to be impatient and make some dumb post of my own.

Maybe you don't see the subtlety of Rob's advice to me which I think could be put as "gently, gently catchee monkey".

So you are right in a way: I should use my "head" more and not be so influenced by those who don't much at all.

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Well said, Gerry.

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I was reaching for the delete key on his post, but decided to leave it to allow yours to stand. Of course, practice is important...

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Ta Dave

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You and I have our differences and can put them rather forcefully, but I doubt that we will ever be at each other's throats and resorting to actual insults.

Regards, Gerry

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