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Liberals/Progressives Use Black People

Dec 30, 2014 10:46PM PST

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RE: we just haven't been able to convince blacks
Dec 30, 2014 11:35PM PST

Sounds like you and this guy are on the same page.

Mark Levin Suggests Blacks Are Too Stupid To Vote Republican

Mark Levin went on a tirade about all the wonderful things the GOP has done for African Americans. Unfortunately for his thesis, Levin's subtext was that blacks are just too stupid to get it.

Levin visited the Hannity show last night to do his part to get out the disaffected conservative vote, which was the show's focus.

Right at the beginning, Levin undermined his later contention when he smeared Al Sharpton. After a clip of Obama calling into Sharpton's radio show was played, Levin sneered, "I didn't know Al Sharpton could speak in complete sentences and I'm still not certain that he can.

What we're to make of it is this is a hateful race-baiting party that has really no good ideas, let alone new ideas and I hope African Americans around the country understand that the Democrat Party has always used them. "

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where would American Blacks be...
Jan 4, 2015 4:39PM PST

....if not for white and other race Americans? Foolishly they think they'd be better off, but every place that is given over to them enters an immediate cycle of decay. Look at Detroit for a supreme example of that. Why do they never ask themselves why every race, every ethnicity, which comes and settles in America eventually, even fairly quickly, move above them economically? Why is it even with the highest percentage of govt help for one race, they still are always at the bottom economically? There's a truth to it all that seems to escape them, and that in itself is just another proof of the cause.

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There's a reason this has happened
Jan 4, 2015 5:43PM PST

I could add a couple of possibilities as to why. One is the type of help given and the other is history and how it has been taught. For some reason a mindset has been created that some of the children of the first settlers owe a perpetual debt...one that can never be completely repaid. From this, those children have developed some sort of "atonement complex". It's a chronic psychological disorder that doesn't seem to have a cure. As little children we are taught that our founders were some sort of uniquely evil group of people who viciously plundered, murdered and enslaved and that it's our duty to do everything we can to make it right. We teach kids to feel guilt and remorse...to despise their own ancestors rather than to honor them. Atonement means caring for the victims of our ancestors forever. This is a monster of our own creation and not one perpetrated by another race. It doesn't help that our political system is more about perpetuating party rule rather than adhering to the most basic desires our founders are said to have sought. That vision has long been lost.

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Speaking of racism
Jan 6, 2015 11:30PM PST

A few nights ago I was watching a silent movie for 1922...one of the characters was a Chinese man (called Chopstick Charlie)...he wanted to buy a dress for a woman friend. The text that was shown on the screen said "I want to buy a dLess" at first I thought they made a spelling mistake...then I realized what they had done.

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Not necessarily racism
Jan 7, 2015 12:48AM PST

There are actually different pronunciations that Chinese persons give to English letters. It has a lot to do with the shape of the mouth and position of the tongue. It's also not uncommon for people to mispronounce words that aren't part of their language and it's often that particular sounds which are not commonly made are difficult to create. Facial muscles train themselves to work in certain ways but don't develop in other ways.

I haven't seen the movie of which you speak but the dubbed text may well have been an attempt to more accurately depict how this man may have pronounced the word. How odd would it have been had this been an audio dub using a fellow with a proper British accent? I've seen many English dubbed foreign films and they sound phony as all get out. Unless there was a deliberate attempt to poke fun at a person in order to degrade them, I'd stay away from calling it racism. My two cents.

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RE: It's also not uncommon for people to mispronounce words
Jan 7, 2015 4:26AM PST

That's true....However...there was no mispronunciation in my example...it was not audio...I stated it was a silent movie. Do you recall how they worked? They show a few scenes THEN there is another screen they put up with the dialogue?

Since it was a SILENT movie made in 1922 and the only, I'll call it a "spelling mistake", was the mis-spelling of "dress", I'll jump to the conclusion that the entire dialogue was entered by an English speaking person, and I have heard that Chinese people do have a problem enunciating words with "r" in them. I've never heard of a problem English/Chinese speakers have of READING words with "r" in them. (Do you think they were "before their time"....you know like the teenagers now a days, they spell 'em like they say 'em? )

RE: poke fun?

They called him Chopstick Charlie.

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I'm just saying I see no need to jump to any conclusion
Jan 7, 2015 4:34AM PST

and, as I've said before, applying today's thinking to yesterday's way of handling such things is probably a bad idea. What would be important is how the actors in the movie felt. If they were ok with how they were treated, having a good time and getting paid, I'm fine with it. We can't know that, however, so why try to interject what we can't do with accuracy?

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Since you made the assumption
Jan 7, 2015 4:38AM PST

that because someone spelled the word to 'mentally' sound like how a Chinese person would have actually said the word that that could be considered to be 'racist'....(you titled your post "speaking of racism"), then would you also make the same assumption if someone you can't see here in SE wrote a post in ebonics that that person was also racist, even though you have no idea if that person actually IS black? Afterall, isn't ebonics recognized in our schools as an acceptable 'language'?

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RE: if someone you can't see here in SE wrote a post
Jan 7, 2015 5:07AM PST
if someone you can't see here in SE wrote a post in ebonics that that person was also racist, even though you have no idea if that person actually IS black?

NO!!! and here is evidence even before you brought the point up about your perception that if you use ebonics you're black.

Notice I said

you know like the TEENAGERS now a days, they spell 'em like they say 'em?

I DID NOT SAY

you know like the BLACKS now a days, they spell 'em like they say 'em?

If you want to associate ebonics with blacks...that's up to you, I didn't do it.
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You know what I've seen?
Jan 7, 2015 5:37AM PST

You can see a person on TV, speaking in ebonics, then it's published in local text, and suddenly, in quotes, is perfect english, not exactly what was said, but paraphrased, passed off as an actual quote.

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you making some point from 1922 ????
Jan 7, 2015 5:35AM PST

applying to today? Oh goody, can we go back to Africa during and before the days of Stanley Livingston and make points of that for today in America? What fun that would be, ....yes? Cough up that gnat stuck in your throat.

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RE; can we go back to Africa
Jan 7, 2015 5:51AM PST

You're using the Royal "we" I assume.

You're not saying you have ancestors that lived in Africa are you?

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According to evolutionists...
Jan 7, 2015 5:54AM PST

We all have ancestors in Africa.
Dafydd.

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(NT) SShhh...some people don't want to hear that.
Jan 7, 2015 5:58AM PST
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I don't believe evolution
Jan 7, 2015 6:57AM PST

So no problem to me what they believe. If they came from a different line of creatures like monkeys, that's not my problem either, it just makes them a monkey's uncle, not me.

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Evolution doesn't say we come from monkeys
Jan 7, 2015 9:19AM PST

We and the great apes are cousins and we separated millions of years ago. In fact the original ancestor looked more like us than like the great apes.

We can even find out when we lost our hair by where the lice showed up. With hair, everywhere, and without hair, only on the head, under arms and in the groin. After clothing, everywhere again. An interesting aside, the lice in the groin were gorilla lice. Makes you wonder what our ancestors were doing.

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And do I care what they think?
Jan 7, 2015 10:32PM PST

No, but I don't want them teaching their silly myths as facts to my children. Let them go worship monkeys, apes, chimps, etc. as their ancestors if they want, but leave me and mine out of it.

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I guess none of them are going into science
Jan 8, 2015 12:44AM PST

I guess that you believe the universe was created 6000 years ago and humans walked with dinosaurs but they didn't make it onto the ark?

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science vs psuedo-science
Jan 8, 2015 3:36AM PST

Bible, Timothy 6:20

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

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Have no idea what that has to do with what I said.
Jan 8, 2015 7:34AM PST

The Bible is a book of faith, not science. God created everything but she never said how. We are just working on how.

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Evolution is a faith also
Jan 8, 2015 12:27PM PST

It's never been proven. It's never been demonstrated. There's more evidence of God's providence in timely fashion throughout history, more evidence of eye witness to miracles, than anything Evolution offers. Pig teeth, Piltdown man, misapplying adaptations as if it's evolution, suppression of evidences which refute it, ad infinitum.

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Ah...this might be it
Jan 7, 2015 7:23AM PST
Moran of the Lady Letty

I didn't find the Chinese gentleman and his "dless" but, if you look at around 54:50, you'll see these words in the frame; "Charlie, Him die pletty soon-got um plesent fo' you."

I'd say this just about validates my notion that it's just trying to capture dialect and not a miss spelling. I really don't see a problem here that warrants wasting time looking at it as racism.

That's it...I'm done.
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Actually...and the more I think about it...
Jan 7, 2015 6:51AM PST

it seems perfectly OK to use phonetic spelling or "eye dialect" in some circumstances. It captures accents and speech forms that can add life to written word that would otherwise be quite vanilla. A writer could be doing a piece that involves a conversation with a person who is Mexican and wants to try and make a reader "hear" what is written. Perhaps the Mexican gentleman is addressing a Mr. Martin. Is it OK for him to write the man's greeting as something like "Oh lah, Meester Martin"? In this instance is that a slur? I don't think so. It adds life to the work. I got no problem with it.

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Oh Wait! I know this one....
Jan 7, 2015 5:33AM PST

...because it happens here ALL the time.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/01/06/armed-man-enters-baltimore-police-hq-claims-hes-with-bgf/

Originally it said this;


Residents are surprised this even happened.

"These incidents are alarming, but they're not an anomole," said.

This incident follows the December assassination of two New York City cops, amid rising national frustrations among residents with police brutality.


after having their ignorance pointed out to them, they then changed it to;



Residents are surprised this even happened.

"These incidents are alarming," Mike Hilliard said.

This incident follows the December assassination of two New York City cops, amid rising national frustrations among residents with police brutality.


If only they'd messed this one up too, that would have been hilarious.

"Police say the Black Guerilla Family gang sent an armed man into a police precinct."

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So you're suggesting
Jan 7, 2015 5:49AM PST

the dialogue in the silent movie was a spelling mistake.

As I said

Since it was a SILENT movie made in 1922 and the ONLY, I'll call it a "spelling mistake", was the mis-spelling of "dress",

Believe whatever you want.

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1922
Jan 7, 2015 6:58AM PST

I don't care WHAT it was. Also, quit confusing what I wrote with what Steve wrote. Take a nap if needed, then come back.

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RE; Take a nap if needed,
Jan 7, 2015 11:21AM PST

That would mean I'd be taking 3 naps a day....If I take any more I might as well move to Florida. and have dinner at 2 in the afternoon.

Sorry when I saw anomole," I thought you were talking about spelling mistakes.

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for all I knew
Jan 7, 2015 10:34PM PST

it was some form of ghetto guacomole.

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victimhood is political "crack"
Jan 7, 2015 10:29PM PST

the Democrats use to control the black vote. The blacks are addicted to it.