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Learning From History...

by Blake Cook / April 1, 2004 2:00 PM PST

In 1923, Who Was:

1. President of the largest steel company?
2. President of the largest gas company?
3. President of the New York Stock Exchange?
4. Greatest wheat speculator?
5. President of the Bank of International Settlement?
6. Great Bear of Wall Street?

These men were considered some of the worlds most successful of their days.

Now, 80 years later, the history book asks us, if we know what ultimately became of them.

The Answers:

1. The president of the largest steel company. Charles Schwab, died a pauper.
2. The president of the largest gas company, Edward Hopson, went insane.
3. The president of the NYSE, Richard Whitney, was released from prison to die at home.
4. The greatest wheat speculator, Arthur Cooger, died abroad, penniless.
5. The president of the Bank of International Settlement, shot himself.
6. The Great Bear of Wall Street, Cosabee Livermore, also committed suicide.

However, in that same year, 1923, the PGA Champion and the winner of the most important golf tournament, the US Open, was Gene Sarazen. What became of him?

He played golf until he was 92, died in 1999 at the age of 95. He was financially secure at the time of his death.

The Moral: Screw work. Play golf.

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I believe that the pressures of work can shorten one's life
by SteveGargini / April 1, 2004 2:13 PM PST

The heart can suffer quite badly from extreme tension caused by worry and long hours.
The suicides would usually happen when their businesses go down the drain. Sad

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Fear of new things may be worst than stress
by Rosalie / April 3, 2004 5:36 PM PST

"Stress is known to have many effects on health including triggering brain cell loss and reducing fertility. But it is also known in some cases to enhance the immune response for inflammation. So the lifelong effects on stress on an individual are difficult to gauge."

A study of the health effects of neophobia - the fear of new things - in rats, is being made and it seems the brave live longer than the fearful.

Looks like fear is more harmful than stress. At least in animals. Happy


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I just wonder Rosalie
by SteveGargini / April 4, 2004 3:37 AM PDT

I don't dispute that a certain amount of stress for a limited time wouldn't do any massive harm, I think it is when the stress is constant, and unrelenting when something has to give. Sad

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I'm sure any negative emotions such as fear, hate, stress and envy
by Rosalie / April 4, 2004 7:48 AM PDT
In reply to: I just wonder Rosalie

over a long period of time will do physical damage to our system as well as spiritual and physiological damage. There really isn't anything new there. Positive emotions and attitude have always been touted as healthful and healing.

I thought it was interesting that they are now finding a very beneficial side to stress. And that it may be fear of doing new things, which effects a lot of us, that will prove to be the more damaging to our physical health and cut our lives short. I must admit that the oldest people I know all seem to find some joy in the smallest thing and are always trying to find something new to experience.

Also have you noticed that what may have been declared harmful to us last month or last year now proves to be beneficial, at least in part? I'm a big coffee drinker and it has almost always been considered harmful in various degrees but lately you hear how it may have a lot of beneficial effects.

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I noticed that about coffee Rosalie

I cannot remember what it was suppose to be good for, a protection against a form of cancer perhaps.
The fear of change is far more likely these days, with all the technogical advances making some of today's jobs a thing of the past.
Negativity is very bad for the general well being.
I always try to avoid getting into a negative cycle of animosity with anybody, because in the long run it doesn't do myself, or the other party any good at all.
I know someone who has held great bitterness for her husband for many years, and I swear it shows on her face, with all the lines, especially where she has scrunched her face up.

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Re:Learning From History...
by Diana Forum moderator / April 1, 2004 8:56 PM PST

I don't know who the current people are but I do remember what happened in 1929 which would account for their problems.

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Re: You let me work for over 50 yrs. and
by Mary Kay / April 1, 2004 9:23 PM PST

then you tell me !!!!!! Happy

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(NT) NOW someone tells me this! Where were you, say, 30 years ago? 8-)
by Paul C / April 2, 2004 6:27 AM PST


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I figured there had to be some good reason for playing golf. ;-) -nt
by Rosalie / April 2, 2004 11:46 AM PST

Now I know what it is.

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I love golf courses...

They are excellent for picnic... Wink

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Re:nt Watch out for incoming. Wear a helmut.
by Rolway / April 4, 2004 4:13 AM PDT
In reply to: I love golf courses...


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Re:Weell now, I don't know about that. Rosalie

I have seen more people drop dead, get wacked on the head and struck by lightning playing Golf, than poking a cue ball around on a pool table. I like pool Happy


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You have a good point about golf. I like to watch pool being played. :-)
by Rosalie / April 4, 2004 7:57 AM PDT


I'm very bad at playing it. Sad

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Re: Weell now, I don't know about that. Rosalie
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / April 4, 2004 8:45 AM PDT

Hi, George.

>>I like pool."
But hasn't anyone ever told you that pool is the first step
on the road to deg-redation? Happy Pretty soon you'll be rebuckling your knickerbockers below the knee!

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
click here to email semods4@yahoo.com

The opinions expressed above are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!

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Re:Re: Weell now, I don't know about that. Dave
by Rolway / April 4, 2004 11:52 AM PDT

"deg-redation"? Hmmm. Pool has emerged from the dungeons of the dark ages you know Dave. It has become a modern day sport even for women.:)

We are talking about a precision game of extensive knowledge in propelling a projectile in a geometric pattern with precise skill.

"knickerbocker"? Do you mean a "New Yorker"? or "bottle of beer" Wink


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Re: Weell now, I don't know about that. Dave
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / April 4, 2004 1:07 PM PDT

Hi, George.

As you probably recognized, but others (particularly those from the other side of the pond) may not, those were loose quotes from a hit song in the Music Man, "You Got Trouble," about the "tell-tale signs of corruption" associated with the opening of a pool hall; "right here in River City."

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
click here to email semods4@yahoo.com

The opinions expressed above are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!

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Re:Re: Weell now, I don't know about that. Dave
by Rolway / April 4, 2004 1:29 PM PDT

Hi Dave;

No, I did not know that. Not familar with the song.

The link "you got trouble" does not load. Comes up "Blank Page" Oh well. Thanks for the info.


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Re:you got trouble
by jonah jones / April 4, 2004 4:33 PM PDT

course, it could be worse Happy

"you think you have problems?"

I've go every disease known to man
From the African mumps to the dishpan hands
I lost every race I ever ran
I never even got a start

But there's one thing I do know I'll tell you right now
There's too many wrinkles in this young man's brow
And I'm getting kind of tired, tired of pulling that plow
Oh what am I gonna do?

So you think you got troubles
The more you cry the worse it gets
So you think you got troubles
Well brother you ain't heard nothin' yet

You know my rusty old car sounds like a tin can
My wife ran off with another man
And I strained a muscle in my crap shootin' hand
And my income tax is due

Well I lost all my money in a neighborhood game
My brother's after me to change my name
And to top it all off, I think I'm going lame
Oh, what am I gonna do

My doctor tells me not to smoke
He says Harry, drink nothing stronger than a coke
You know I'm not even supposed to listen to a racial joke
For I'd laugh and strain my heart

But there's one thing I do know I'll tell you right now
There's too many wrinkles in this young man's brow
And I'm gettin' kind of tired, tired of pullin' that plow
Oh what am I gonna do?
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