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''Leaky'' Leahy Aided NSA Phone Taps

May 19, 2006 9:48PM PDT

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(NT) (NT) Pine tree on Mt. Ascutney awaits.
May 19, 2006 10:34PM PDT
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(NT) (NT) and await and await and await and await and await and a
May 19, 2006 10:45PM PDT
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(NT) (NT) justify this hypocrisy.............. Politicians?
May 19, 2006 11:10PM PDT
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NO
May 19, 2006 11:11PM PDT

This issue is very specific. If you don't want to deal with it, go away.

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This issue is very specific.
May 19, 2006 11:14PM PDT

Which issue hypocrisy OR NSA?

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(NT) (NT) Leahy's position on the phone issue then and now
May 19, 2006 11:17PM PDT
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Re: Leahy's position
May 19, 2006 11:24PM PDT

1993 He tried to put something through for wiretaps, it didn't pass.

So I guess some Republicans didn't want it passed. (Correct this statement if not correct.)


2006 NSA supposedly wiretapping and the Republicans are in favour and the Democrats are against.

Both sides switched positions?

So it's what politicians do, when they are out of power they are against the government, and when they are in power they are for the government.

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Get your facts straight
May 19, 2006 11:29PM PDT

CALEA is the law of the land since 1993, enacted by a Democrat controlled Congress and signed by a Democrat President.

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You're correct
May 20, 2006 12:13AM PDT

Passed by the Democrats,

I couldn't find how the Republicans voted on the Bill, but it was passed.

Leahy said

''Are you telling me that tens of millions of Americans are involved with al-Qaeda?''

Which seems to be a reasonable question.

Can you in your wildest dream/nightmare think that it would be necessary to collect information on tens of millions Americans.

Perhaps that's why he doesn't agree with the way CALEA is being interpreted.

OR

2) expeditiously isolating and enabling the government, pursuant to a court order or other lawful authorization, to access call-identifying information that is reasonably available to the carrier--

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Things not hard to find ...
May 20, 2006 2:58AM PDT

... if you really have an interest in informed debate rather than speculative trolling jabs.

http://thomas.loc.gov/

You can search for votes, bill summaries, etc. there.

CALEA was sponsored by Leahy (D) and co-sponsored by Biden (D) and Hatch (R) in the Senate. On the house side it was sponsored by CA Rep. Don Edwards (D) and co-sponsored by Henry Hyde (R).

It was passed on a "voice vote" in both houses. IOW, nobody was sufficiently in opposition to require a floor vote to register that opposition "officially".

Sounds about as bipartisan as you can get. Nothing hypocritical about those who opposed it at the time (or either party) proclaiming that their fears had been well founded. This isn't what Leahy and the Dems are doing. They pretend they never even heard of CALEA.

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Thanks for the link
May 20, 2006 3:29AM PDT

to vote information.

They pretend they never even heard of CALEA.

I don't think they are pretending they never heard of CALEA, they are disagreeeing with the way it is being interpreted.

"The devil's in the details"

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No, they act like it doesn't exist ...
May 20, 2006 3:36AM PDT

... along with numerous Court precedents.

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Let's face it....
May 20, 2006 3:38AM PDT

the reason they are saying what they are saying and doing what they are doing is that they HATE BUSH. That's all. Has nothing whatever to do with the merits of the program. In my opinion they are disgraceful, Leahy in particular.

And you notice they say nothing about the fact that someone is classified leaking information to the press. Why?

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Why?
May 20, 2006 3:49AM PDT

Because this is a "good leak"

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Let's see here:
May 20, 2006 9:14AM PDT

Senator Leahy, who in 1987 got summarily dismissed from his position as the ranking Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee for disclosing information regarding the Iran-Contra affair that almost certainly got people killed, is at it again, again without regard to the exceptionally grave damage he may be doing to America's security?

I used the words "exceptionally grave" for a reason; those words are used in the indictments of spies. Perhaps it's time that we find out what Sen. Leahy's true motives are? It seems clear that whatever they are, protecting America is NOT one of them...

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(NT) (NT) This is excatly what you do in threads
May 19, 2006 11:18PM PDT