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Lawmakers fleeing office in DC

Feb 18, 2010 8:28AM PST

Over 10% of the Senate and about 8% of the House have chosen to not seek their public office for another term. It's not just Democrats as might be thought by some but fairly even across the board, maybe even more Republicans. You will need to clk on the "sort" to see each side separately, which is the only way it seems to see them all. Two guys from Tennessee have been there over 20 years each and I've never heard of them before at all. There's a Marion Berry leaving. I bet he had fun or consternation watching the other one on TV a few years back.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/congress-retirements/?wpisrc=nl_politics

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So maybe with the recent supreme court decision
Feb 18, 2010 9:04AM PST

they think it will be easier in private life and their own businesses to buy congress members rather than become them. Wink

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I think they see..
Feb 18, 2010 9:59AM PST

..a sea of change coming and prefer to NOT be remembered as one of those washed overboard. Pride does all it can to avoid embarrassment.

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I'm happy to see this happen, sorry to say
Feb 18, 2010 6:36PM PST

Both parties seem to think they're just going to leapfrog one another forever. As long as they can find reason to fight, they have jobs. That needs to stop, IMO.

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Why?
Feb 18, 2010 8:39PM PST

Gridlock is better than what they probably would be doing otherwise. The last thing I want to see is them cooperating on preying on us.

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I want them to feel the heat of being vulnerable
Feb 18, 2010 8:54PM PST

to job loss if they aren't responsive to their constituency.

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It's the entire culture now
Feb 18, 2010 9:56PM PST

Look at TV. Everything there is one group fighting some other group. Argument becomes entertainment. Violence is entertainment. Insulting moral values is entertainment. Law vs criminals is entertainment. Survivor shows based on trashing someone each week. Everything is increasingly polarized now because America has corrupted it's social mean, twisted it's legal mean, and belittled it's religious mean.

It's like here at times, not honest discussion but one says up so the other says down, one says left so the other says right, just so long as they can be in disagreement even where there is no need to be, nor for it to continue, people of deliberately contrary attitude not necessarily based on any principle, just who they are replying to. We know who they are. They must have the last word so bad it becomes a joke. Playing the game just to expose their ridiculousness risks looking just like them.

So, why blame the politicians when they are only reflecting our society as it now exists? I say blame them because they are supposed to be better, act better, lead toward better, if they are holding such offices. Even if we had 10% turn over of the Senate and the House every 2 years, it would take 20 years to have a completely new group in there, probably longer. I don't believe in term limits though, since people should be able to elect whomever they want to represent them. I think those who in past have managed to retain their seats due to seniority and committee asignments would lose those seats quicker if we insisted the seniority rules were tossed out as unconstitutional and each election everyone was on equal footing when they entered the Senate or House. We obviously can't have all inexperienced people in Washington, but we need to insist the rules which encourage states to reelect some to office based mainly on the power they've garnered while there should be changed.

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Ahhh... I think it's always been like that.
Feb 18, 2010 10:10PM PST

Look at history. This is not new or novel at all.

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used to be pockets of peace
Feb 18, 2010 10:48PM PST

Before Radio and TV. The worst thing then was the newspaper and many of them were just once per week. Life is still a lot more pleasant when the TV is turned off.

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Before radio and TV.....
Feb 18, 2010 11:09PM PST
1800

The 1800 election was a rematch of the 1796 election. The campaign was bitter and characterized by slander and personal attacks on both sides. Federalists spread rumors that the Democratic-Republicans were radicals who would murder their opponents, burn churches, and destroy the country (based on the Democratic-Republican preference for France over Britain at a time when the violent French Revolution was in full swing). In 1798, George Washington had complained "that you could as soon scrub the blackamoor white, as to change the principles of a profest [sic] Democrat; and that he will leave nothing unattempted to overturn the Government of this Country.? Meanwhile, the Democratic-Republicans accused Federalists of destroying republican values, not to mention political support from immigrants, with the Alien and Sedition Acts, some of which were later called unconstitutional after their expiration by the Supreme Court; they also accused Federalists of favoring Britain in order to promote aristocratic, anti-republican values.

1828

The campaign was marked by an impressive amount of mudslinging. Jackson's marriage came in for attack: when he had married his wife Rachel, the couple had believed that she was divorced; however, the divorce was not yet finalized, so he had to remarry her once the legal papers were complete. In the Adams campaign's hands, this became a scandal. Charles Hammond in his Cincinnati Gazette asked: ?Ought a convicted adulteress and her paramour husband to be placed in the highest offices of this free and Christian land??

And so on.
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RE: and destroy the country
Feb 18, 2010 11:26PM PST

And so on.

I've heard that before, not that long ago.

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I'm not sure how accurate that is
Feb 18, 2010 11:06PM PST

Look at news readers today and what they focus on. Is it areas of peace and serenity? You'd think these don't exist. Reading history is reading mostly about periods of struggle and not much about calm. That's too boring. Sure there's always been conflict in government by my sense is that, at one time, there was still respect shown quite openly for ones opponents. I don't get much of that sense today. Of course with today's media and technology, we have politicians and news people each considering the other as a tool to be worked with and manipulated. Our media shows respect to no one.

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Better to leave voluntarily...
Feb 18, 2010 8:36PM PST

than to be tossed out.

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(NT) nobody wants to be labeled a loser?
Feb 18, 2010 9:59PM PST