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Re:Latest environmental problem: oceans 'in deep trouble.'

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This shouldn't be news to anyone, but I'm afraid it is.

Dan

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Re: Latest environmental problem: oceans 'in deep trouble.'

Hi, Dan.

I'm just waiting for the denial, that it's just liberal environmental extremists who are concerned...

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Here, I'll supply the denial:

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Dave, for the last time, THERE ARE NO OCEANS. That's just a bunch of liberal crap.

Devil

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well Josh, actually...

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actually there WERE oceans - but Bush stole them in Nov. 2000, allegedly because he can't swim so nobody else should be allowed to either...

Devil

But on the serious side, it is a problem that a growing number of people are finally recognizing.

dw

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Re:well Josh, actually...

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Hey, just because there has been life in the Gulf of Mexico for the last billion years doesn't mean that it should always have life in it. Things do change, you know.

Dan

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Re:well Josh, actually...

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Well DRAT, I didn't believe it would happen. I remember someone saying that if Bush walked on water he would be critized for not being able to swim and there it is.

Devil

RogerNC

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Re:well Josh, actually...

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With a pipeline to the Almighty, you would think this would not be a problem.

Unless you believe, as MOST Christians do, that the Almighty does not always give all that is requested of believers.

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Correction

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I believe it's the Almighty does not always give all that is requested by believers.

"You might not get what you want, but you just might get what you need."

RogerNC

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Is that a Bible quote? [nt]

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,

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The Rolling Stones...

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who first appeared at The Sermon on the Mount Happy
"You can't always get what you want, but if you try, sometimes, you get what you need".

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Link? Link? Link? Link?

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Devil
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(NT) :-)

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Meanwhile ...

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... we have the same old, same old demeaning of our President for being "intellectually incurious" while you and your friends having a big yuck in this thread seem to buy anything like this hook, line and sinker. You also ignore posts like this one.

That said, the article did state the commission was appointed by President Bush. Where is Molly Ivins demeaning their report when you need her. I would also note that along with offshore drilling, the huge increase in shoreline housing and development is copiously blamed. But they want to fund this from oil royalties. How about a shoreline tax for those who live there adn are also as much if not more part of the cause?

Evie Happy

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That's a good idea

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I think it is well worth pursuing a fee on businesses and residences within a certain distance of the coast and waterways. There should also be a fairly heavy fee for fertilizers and pesticides, far too much of which end up in the waterways and oceans.

Glad you're on board.

Dan

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Always been a fan of consumption taxes ...

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... vs. centralized bureaucratic administration of income taxes. Dave will probably start grumbling now just like he does any time anyone questions the taxpayer subsidy to his homeowners' flood insurance. I see no reason why Joe Average American living on a 1/2 acre who has to pay $5/day for parking at a public beach should foot the bill for the effect on the oceans that Barbra's mansion have.

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The damage is so severe

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that we need the fees for parking and for flood insurance and for the poisons I mentioned earlier. Add to that a deposit on motor oil so it doesn't get dumped and upgrades to storm and sewer system. We've screwed up big-time and we're going to have to pay the piper.

Dan

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No, what's needed is a limit on Federal bailouts of fools.

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We need to place limits on what kind of fools the Feds will bailout and let private insurance cover it completely or those affected just lose it all. Why should we have to suffer these fools who buy up all the beach property, cram their stuff so close together that no one else can get onto the beaches, act like the surf in front of their property belongs to them personally even when it may be public property, manage to deny access or control public access to the water, and make it not worth the effort in many places to even go to the beach anymore. Let them take the complete risk for their selfishness and foolishness, cause right now they are playing US for the fools.

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I'm all for that, too!

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Being from one of the shore counties in New Jersey you don't have to tell me about restrictive beach access practices. I'm tempted to condemn these beach mansions, give them 15 cents on the dollar and tell them to go pound sand.

Don't forget interior flood plains either! Why is my tax money going to rebuild houses that were stupid to build the last 5 times they were rebuilt?

Bulldozers, start your engines!

Dan

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Yes, we need a national beach reclamation that boots all these people back to ...

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....a reasonable place and restores the beaches to everyone's access. Last time I was in Florida I decided to drive the A1A and US1 area south of St. Augustine, which had always been miles of open beaches. All gone, houses crammed between the beach and the road, many areas of the shoreline oaks that were so picturesque were gone too. I was heartsick to see it.

Florida of all states is the last place I would expect them to let the beaches be overrun like that. I would love to see Florida condemn all buildings that exist between the road and the beach, requiring that nothing could be built beyond the road and that all beyond it was state property. Florida should NEVER have let it become like that. They also need to have laws that won't allow housing over 30 feet tall within a quartermile of the beach.

Get those damnable condos off the beaches!

Don't allow resorts to hog the beach in front of them by covering it in their own chairs and umbrellas to use as an excuse to push away others from what is public owned beach front. In Florida there is a certain setback on all Gulf and Ocean beaches that is public, but trying to get into it and then not having problems with the resorts that front on it become the problem.

I would love to open a business there engaged in "beach busting parties" that would take a boat down those stretches and set up private parties right in front of those controlling condos in the public strip areas where they couldn't stop it. I can see it now, "Party in front of the Hilton this week!".

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ROFL! ! ! -nt

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Re:Latest environmental problem: oceans 'in deep trouble.'

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My question is, why, the last time I checked, are there more replies to a valid thread like this than there are to the one that has to do with how much Air America needs "liberal money" to survive?

Especially in a forum that seems to me to be DOMINATED by conservatives.

Please, conservatives, don't foist off on anyone the false and stupid notion that liberals-don't-work-cause-they-can-live-off-the-taxpayers and have more time to reply to threads like this notion.

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ummm...Cuz this is interesting? -nt

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Grin
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(NT) Anybody see Nova last night?

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Scary stuff, huh?

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no joke

Dan

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Re:Scary stuff, huh?

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Yep!

I grew up in a railroad town (in the coal-fired engine days), coal-burning furnaces and room grates, a tannery, a chemical plant (solvents, I think- and located on the Ohio River), and a big steel producing plant.

I swear, I thought all of that stuff from the smokestacks just kept rising into the air and kept on going through space.

Apparently, so did a lot of other people.:-(

BTW, no way would I eat the catfish that live in the river outside my door. The Dupont Chemical plant upriver was fined $10,000 about 35 years ago for what they had dumped into it.

Angeline
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NOVA? Last night? The one they advertised here...

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....had a writeup that sounded like the old canard of "The Population Bomb", so naturally I didn't waste my time tuning it up.

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Re:NOVA? Last night? The one they advertised here...

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My PBS station showed one re: air pollution here and in China.

China's is primarily from coal, both in industry and in home heating. But, as their economy has taken off, especially in Bejing, more people are able to buy cars. The highways around the city looked as crowded as ours. Also, they build the cars there, though under US and Japanese companies. However, the engine and emissions technology is old.

Our major pollutant is from automobiles.

There is a station in Oregon that monitors the air coming in from across the Atlantic. When it began showing a rise in pollutants, the origin was traced to China.

Interesting show, James. Watch for it in your area. (Sorry- I don't know the title.)

Angeline
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Air pollution...

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controls here in California are some of the strictest in the country. Meanwhile - just to the south of us in Tijuana, they burn tires for heat. I remember flying along on this side of the border at 5000 feet and nearly being asphyxiated from the smoke Happy Go figure.

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