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laptop with large screen and good keyboard

by wynton100 / August 14, 2006 3:56 AM PDT

I am looking for a laptop, under $3,000, and I have two simple priorities: I want the best available keyboard and a large screen, capable of 1920 x 1200 resolution.

I do not care about the weight.

Can someone point me in the general direction? Many thanks.

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How large? 15" or 17"?
by Nooorm / August 14, 2006 4:16 AM PDT

Thinkpads are generally considered to have the best keyboards of any laptop...but the biggest screen on one would be the 15.4" Widescreen Z61p: 15.4 inch WUXGA (1920x1200)

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Repeating mistakes?
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / August 14, 2006 4:27 AM PDT

Many 1920 x 1200 laptops are returned to Dell after the owner discovers (again and again) why that's not a good idea.

Get a first hand look at such BEFORE you commit.

Bob

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repeating mistakes
by wynton100 / August 14, 2006 6:40 AM PDT
In reply to: Repeating mistakes?

Are you saying that it's a mistake to get Dell laptops with that resolution, or any laptops with that resolution capability?

Either way, why is it not a good idea?

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Do some math, find such and consider the complaints.
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / August 14, 2006 6:50 AM PDT
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Calculate the DPI of the screen. What many find is that past 100 DPI the text is far too small and while some pundit will tell you of stellar resolution they won't tell you about having 20/10 vision to see the pixel or the pains of getting the text sizes big enough.

But your choice here. Many need to go through this before they believe it.

Bob

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Do you value your eyesight?
by samkh / August 15, 2006 2:10 AM PDT
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Too bad it not easy to find a 1920x1200 resolution in stores that you can test. Bob is right about learning the painful way.

What all manufacturers don't disclose, and it really should be labeled as an ergonomic hazard, is that when you strain to read, your eye muscles will suffer and prolonged exposure will lead to deteriorating eyesight. But the more immediate issue is discomfort with the strain.

High resolutions look great when you walk by by the rows of notebooks or LCD monitors in stores. And they are usually displaying pictures or videos! Have you ever seen these computers displaying black text on a white background? The competition is not about how well text can be read but it is based on how fabulous your pictures, videos and movies will look. And don't think that you can set the LCD to lower resolution when you need it. LCDs have a native resolution and they mostly are blurry and color distorted when set to non-native. High end LCD monitors ($500+) do better outside of native resolution than lower end models but I have never seen a notebook display with such capabilities.

If you think you will ever use your notebook to read text, check the visual quality of that display in addition to it's resolution size before you buy (or buy and return, oftentimes with restocking fees).

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resizing
by wynton100 / August 15, 2006 4:02 AM PDT

I was about to ask why I shouldn't get a laptop capable of 1900x1200 res, and simply resize whenever I intend to read text. But then I read your comment that this cannot necessarily be done.

This is extremely important to me. I was assuming I could use the 1900x res whenever I would be playing poker or something similar, but switch to something like 1024 x768 when using word processing (which is what I am used to now). Is it really true that switching between resolutions is not possible?

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This road is littered with ...
by R. Proffitt Forum moderator / August 15, 2006 8:33 AM PDT
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That's been discussed before. The owner gets one and the next post is a complaint about how bad the resizing fonts and more looks.

Get your return policy stated up front.

Bob

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It can be done, but
by samkh / August 15, 2006 12:19 PM PDT
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It is possible but...
by ar69 / August 15, 2006 2:02 PM PDT
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As he said when it is not at native resolution it is blurry.

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repeating mistakes
by ar69 / August 15, 2006 2:00 PM PDT
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Higher resolution, while it does make games look more stunning, on a mere 17 inches makes your desktop, icons,text, and just about everything tiny. Tiny text may make you have to squint. Everything is PAINFULLY tiny at 1920 by 1200

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Gateway NX860X Good choice
by tuxxer / August 15, 2006 2:22 AM PDT
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I have a Gateway NX860X and this is very good laptop. I have had one a few months and it is very powerful and quick. It has 17" widescreen. The resolution is a bit below what you are looking for. I opted for the extended battery and battery life is over 4 hours.

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(NT) (NT) 17" MacBook Pro. But it's expensive.
by udayan71 / August 15, 2006 7:40 AM PDT
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2nd the 17" MBP
by mobiguru / October 6, 2006 1:48 AM PDT

The 17" MacBook Pro is not that expensive when you spec out other brand to match the MBP.

Plus it runs both OS X & XP (or Vista)!!!

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Alienware aurara m9700 or dell e1705
by ar69 / August 15, 2006 1:56 PM PDT

alienware is extremely sturdily built and packs better features, while dell can be had for much cheaper with the same hardware config(almost, the dell has a core duo processor while the alienware has a turion). If you go to notebookreview.com they must advertise for dell or something because they have codes that give you a 20% discount on dell laptops. The turion, while the best gaming processor except for the mobile core 2 duo which is due out in september, cannot fully use a dual 7900gs setup on the alienware.If you do get the alienware, buy only one gs, get almost exactly the same performance, and save 500 bucks.

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