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Lake Erie frozen

Feb 15, 2010 11:25PM PST

First time in 14 years. Someone call Al Gore. We need more Global Warming!

http://www.accuweather.com/news-story.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&article=2

Following a cold snap in the Northeast, Lake Erie's surface is virtually frozen over for the first time in about 14 years.
The ice ranges in thickness between paper thin along the northern shore and several inches along the southern shore, where many people are ice skating.
GoErie.com reports that the lake hasn't completely frozen since the winter of 1995-1996.
Although the ice cover is considered complete, prevailing winds have created some cracks in the ice.
There are also reportedly ice chunks floating off the coast of Dunkirk, N.Y., which is one of the deepest parts of the lake and would naturally be one of the last places to freeze.
Lake Erie, with an average depth of 62 feet, is the most shallow of the five Great Lakes, which is why it is the only one that completely freezes over.

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Rome, Italy gets heaviest snow in 24 years
Feb 15, 2010 11:32PM PST
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(NT) Flying in snow for the Winter Olympics?
Feb 15, 2010 11:36PM PST
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Vancouver
Feb 15, 2010 11:46PM PST

It's not exactly a snow capital, even though in Canada. Actually I think it's one area there that gets the least snowfall on a regular basis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Vancouver#Snow
Snow occurs in the surrounding mountains and in the higher-lying areas of Greater Vancouver, such as Burnaby Mountain, Coquitlam, and North/West Vancouver. It is less commonly found in places which are at sea level. There is a general misconception among visitors and residents in other parts of Canada that Vancouver does not receive any snow at all, but in fact there has never been a winter in which traceable snow has not been observed at Vancouver International Airport. Environment Canada has ranked Vancouver in 3rd place under the category of "Lowest Snowfall" among 100 major Canadian cities

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The cliche is that in Vancouver it rains all winter, which
Feb 16, 2010 12:59AM PST

is sort of true for the lower lying downtown core. But Vancouver is surrounded by mountains, and I've been there in May when there was still Snow on Grouse Mountain. Because of El Nino conditions this year the Vancouver area had snow, but lost it, and that's why they got stuck with trucking it in. Most years the mountains would be great, but climate is becoming less predictable in the long run.

Most of this has to do with ocean currents, and I don't know to what degree you can blame Man Made Climate Change for that. Climate change is a constant. It wasn't mankind that started the Ice Age, nor did they warm the earth up sufficiently to reverse the Ice Age. There are no easy answers to this, but Greenhouse Gases are worrisome because we don't know what they're really going to do.

That's why I still sit on the fence, neither embracing it, nor embracing its deniers. Maybe Global Warming is an accurate phrase, we'll know in about 25 or 30 years. But Global Climate Change is definitely here for whatever reason. I can't immediately recall anything like the heavy snow in Washington in my life time, but I do remember National Geographic photos of Glaciers that have retreated since the 1920's. I don't know the cause, and I don't think anybody else does with certainty.

Railing against people who would reduce greenhouse gases however isn't very productive. Oil is becoming more expensive to find and to extract every year, not to mention the political issues of unstable regimes in control of it. Inexhaustible sources like solar, wind, and tide make far more sense in a world where electrical demand will never go down

Rob

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I don't care if they want to cut down on...
Feb 16, 2010 1:54AM PST

...poisonous gases, or even those strongly indicated in acid rain such as sulfur dioxides, but going after carbon dioxide, a necessary plant nutrient that studies have shown in greater quantities raises yields of food bearing plants, is ridiculous.

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RE: necessary plant nutrient
Feb 16, 2010 2:09AM PST

and Carbon Dioxide is ALL good?

What's wrong with trying to not produce any more than is really necessary? (in other words, the bare minimum)

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How about lets produce as much as is
Feb 16, 2010 2:25AM PST

beneficial? But we must keep in mind that any amount is harmful to something and there may be no maximum amount that becomes poisonous to some things. Fortunately we have an invisible balancing mechanism that looks at the larger picture and makes adjustments as needed. Those adjustments will be popular with some organisms and unpopular with others. Wink

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Local Yokel newspaper
Feb 15, 2010 11:50PM PST

So, if residents there are not surprised, why are you?


http://communities.canada.com/vancouversun/blogs/parenting/archive/2010/02/09/vancouver-warmest-olympics-snow.aspx

With the start of the 2010 Winter Olympics just days away, one of the biggest causes of concern remains the lack of snow on Cypress Mountain. And the weather forecast in the city for the next few days is so incredibly mild that, as Mark Hamilton noted on Twitter, the 2010 Games could "be the first winter Olympics you can attend in shorts and tees".

All of which reminded me of an article I wrote for The Vancouver Sun way back in 2003, on the day we were awarded the Games, noting that Vancouver would be the warmest city to ever host a Winter Olympics.

The article seems awfully prophetic now.

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Were you surprised Lake Erie froze?
Feb 16, 2010 12:19AM PST

It did it 14 years ago, and partially freezes every year.


and it's not like they are hauling snow so they can ski through Gastown in Vancouver,

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49 out of 50
Feb 15, 2010 11:51PM PST

One headline in the local paper stated that 49 out of 50 states had snow on the ground. They only holdout was Hawaii, but it too has snow in the mountain region if not old snow. So, it gets one to think maybe that global warming stuff is far off and the world will tilt into the ice age once again. I know I would have to move since my part of Ohio would be part of the southern portion of a ice sheet. It could go as far as Tenn. before it stops or at least what drives that ice age. The only good thing is that happened would be God's way of cleaning up the landscape. Cities like Detroit, NY, Cleveland, Chicago and more would all be wiped out. If such a thing happened it would be the largest human migration of recorded time and taxes would go up again. Happy -----Willy Where are my Carhart's?