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Kurdish Iraq - a peaceful corner

Apr 22, 2007 6:27AM PDT

The April 23, 2007, issue of Time had a great article about Iraqi Kurdistan.

Something totally different from what we are ?fed? by the main stream media.

Does this look like anything you would imagine from Iraq. A Kurdish family celebrating Nowruz, a holiday for the Kurdish New Year and start of spring.

Since 2003, no US troops have been killed in Kurdish Iraq.

Since 2004, once semi-desert wastelands are now showplacing luxury housing developments that resemble gated California suburbs; high-rise condominium complexes providing modern apartment life styles, and western-style supermarkets.

There is a modern international airport, built after the fall of Saddam, with limited traffic at the moment, but expanding to accommodate jumbo jets.

Andrew Lee Butters, the reporter who wrote the article, referring to the city of Arbil, stated??I was practically given the keys to the city. I did my reporting by foot or hailed taxis from the street, spent my evenings in beer gardens or pizza parlors, and slept on the roof of the house, with the sounds of crickets rather than Kalashnikovs in the cooling night air.?

Although part of Iraq, the Kurdish enclave at the northern tip of Iraq, have been able to keep their region free of the insurgency and sectarian violence that exists elsewhere, thanks to their Peshmerga Army. This is an ?army?, with heavy weapons; tanks; armored vehicles; and self-propelled artillery.

If interested, go here for a look at the Peshmerga http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshmerga

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Iraq needs the Kurds more than the Kurds need Iraq.
Apr 22, 2007 7:23AM PDT

They have basically been a country unto themselves for quite a while... part of the benefit of the Northern No-Fly Zone maintained for over 10 years by the US/coalition formed during the Desert Storm days.

Iraq under Saddam maintained control of the Northern cities, mainly by moving sunni immigrants from central Iraq into the major oil producing cities found there. The countryside was a different matter. Rugged higher elevations pretty much prevented Saddam's forces from being able to move in on the ground and of course, they had no control of the air.

Of course this same US support of Kurdish influence/independence has worried Turkey for many years. That same issue kept Turkey from allowing the US to use Turkey as a ground stage for a northern invasion during the regime changing operations of this century. My understanding was that Turkey wanted to occupy Northern Iraq for "security" purposes. When they were refused the Turks suddenly lost interest in providing a northern invasion point.

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Iraq needs the Kurds??? You are wrong.
Apr 22, 2007 4:36PM PDT

Grim, Iraq needs their oil. Not the Kurds and the KPP killers that are in their north east country.
The Kurds are a homeless nation of old radicals and killers. Check up on their Islamic beliefs and customs: Four wives and eleven children per wife=44 children per family.
Think about that.
If Turkey ever wants to wipe out the KPP, Turkey has the ability to do so in a heartbeat.
The U.S. does not want Turkey to enter north east Iraq. Too political it seems.
The situation is nearing a critical stage with Turkey. Who is our foreign affairs director and our man in charge?
Grim, Turkey will just do their thing and bypass the U.S. eventually when they are fed up and have to protect their country.
Good-by Kurd PKK Killers! BLAMB!!! Big Time!

-Kevin

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War corner
Apr 22, 2007 3:39PM PDT

JP, Good info from you.
Worse there than that what you have read.
Last year, Turkey wanted to enter northern Iraq and rid themselves of the so-called Falcon Freedom Fighters (PKK). Also known as killers and radicals staging raids on several villages in the southeastern region of Turkey. PKK are ruthless killers and mercenaries.
Turkey has asked the US for help in that region of Iraq countless times. Seems to fall on deaf ears within the U.S., military and the government.

Maybe something will be done soon by the U.S. to help in Northern Iraq.
However, the US does not want Turkey to cross into Iraq and eliminate those Kurds since the US has their hands full in and around Bagdad.

How wonderful that Mac showed us a touching family photo of a Kurd family. Probably the only one!

Wonder why Mac did not show the carnage in south eastern Turkey caused by the Kurds and the KPP!?
Whole villages being wiped out with woman and children slaughtered by these Kurds.
Freedom Fighters? No. Killers? YES!

I wonder where Mac got his info from? Sure was not from the United States or from Turkey, the ally of the US.

JP, When President Bush sells Canada, maybe the KPP will want to buy it.
The Kurds are a nation of Killers. LOL!

-Kevin

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The rest of the story.....
Apr 23, 2007 1:23AM PDT

Hey Kevin....

Re: I wonder where Mac got his info from?

The original post identified the publication and the author.

The author presented the fact that Kurdish Iraq was free of the violence existing elsewhere in Iraq as a focus point. He went on to present a very detailed study of the various factions at work within, and facing the Kurd community, and the many problems facing the Kurds who occupy prominent positions with the Iraqi government.

A "read" well worth the effort.

It was not an article to recite the geopolitical history or problems in the larger area.

One of the TV channels recently did a fairly long segment about Arbil and it's stability, also without overwhelming the segment with cross border problems.

I find it refreshing and informative to receive a presentation focusing on a subject without bringing in all the other "garbage" at the moment. Most who follow the activity in this area of the world are familiar with the "bad" aspects also. Nice to be served a clean meal, once in a while, other than the "stew" that is so common place.

I thought it also worth the effort to understand the make-up of the Peshmerga and it's armaments. Hence the link.

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the rest of the story?
Apr 23, 2007 1:59PM PDT

Mac, I appreciate your comments concerning the Kurds in north east Iraq.
There is a problem with the KPP and infiltrating into Turkey. The KPP are a terrorist organization. Have you lost sight of that fact!?

Seems most of Europe knows it to be true also. Brussels and France arrested several PKK units recently.
Falcon Freedom Fighters are murderers. The head of the PKK is serving jail time right now.

Get with it Mac?

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/pkk.htm

http://www.heralddispatch.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070329/OPINION/703290345/1034

http://2cents.dailyreckoning.com/viewtopic.php?p=193442&sid=8f12e0aa1235a0014f96a6af446ae64e

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/OPEC_Members.Islam

http://www.reason.com/news/show/36742.html


-Kevin

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The article was not about ....
Apr 23, 2007 4:38PM PDT

......border problems.

It was about the relative stability in the immediate area of Kurdish Iraq.

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Doing a quick search
Apr 23, 2007 9:45PM PDT

shows that the PKK is mainly a group of Kurdish terrorists WITHIN Turkey....and not very connected to the Iraqi Kurds.

From the rants you've chosen to post in this thread, I get the impression that you approved of the slaughter of the Iraqi Kurds by Saddam and that you think it would be a good idea to allow Turkey in to finish the job even knowing Turkey isn't taking care of their own terrorist groups/cells within their own country, anymore than other countries are.

The fact that Iraqi Kurds are taking care of themselves quite well and fighting all terrorism from entering their area speaks volumes when you consider the rest of Iraq's 'hot spots' aren't making that same effort and are willing to keep killing each other just because they can with or without outside help.

TONI

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Quick search?
Apr 24, 2007 10:44AM PDT

Toni, Better do an extensive search. The KPP are also in Northern Iraq.
Cross into Turkey, do their thing and back to Iraq.
The U.S. knows this and have their hands full in Bagdad at the present time. The U.S. does not want Turkey to cross over into Iraq and eliminate the KPP cells.

-Kevin

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Re...Get with it Mac?
Apr 24, 2007 4:28AM PDT

Beyond courtesy, IMO, it would be appreciated if you cared to discuss the PKK, an appropriate discussion for sure, that you initiate a thread with such a subject, rather than corrupt an unrelated thread.

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Mac, You are right?
Apr 24, 2007 10:24AM PDT

Should have been a new post. Tried that once about six months ago. Not ONE post back. Guess no one cares about the KPP terrorists in Northern Iraq except the Turkish Government. Very few really know about the KPP to begin with.
I will post anew and see if anyone except you knows about the KPP.

Stay cool.

-Kevin