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Kerry was against wiretapping before ...

by Evie / January 24, 2006 1:57 AM PST
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He's not against wiretapping
by dirtyrich / January 24, 2006 2:08 AM PST

He's against a Republican administration that wiretaps. A Dumocratic (oops... Democratic) administration wiretapping would be ok. Politics as usual, and the Dumocratic (oops, there it is again) sheep won't realize it.

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I think it was more about
by Rick S / January 24, 2006 2:22 AM PST

"warrantless" wiretapping.

He doesn't seem to be against legal wiretapping just the warrantless kind.

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(NT) (NT) Which are legal under specific circumstances
by Evie / January 24, 2006 2:23 AM PST
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sure, throw the words
by Rick S / January 24, 2006 2:28 AM PST

"al Qaeda" into the mix and you can do whatever you want.

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by Evie / January 24, 2006 2:33 AM PST
In reply to: sure, throw the words

Read the law. Or simply acknowledge that it's been done by every President since FISA was established and such has been upheld by the Courts.

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Either way, it's not a flip-flop
by Josh K / January 24, 2006 5:58 AM PST
In reply to: No

Nice try though.

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Actually he has flip-flopped AND straddled the fence...
by Edward ODaniel / January 24, 2006 8:15 AM PST

on the subject since he was an ardent supporter of Clinton's having done nothing wrong with Echelon (warrantless electronic searches of communications that were both international AND purely domestic) nor with authorizing warrantless searches for Aldrich Ames and a couple other instances.

Now he says it is illegal.

Then he says that although illegal he will vote to fund.

That Josh is CLASSIC flip flopping and it is indisputable.

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Or any other established threat to the country
by dirtyrich / January 24, 2006 2:59 AM PST
In reply to: sure, throw the words

But in a way, you're right (Kudos). These wiretaps had everything to do with Al Queda and nothing to do with 99.999999% of the US population. The established procedures and safeguards against abuse prevent the government from using the wiretapping in an un-Constitutional way. The conversations that were tapped included foreign hostiles.
This whole controversy is fueled by two factors - the Democrats' desparation for anything to embarass the current administration, and Congress' attempt to throw off the balance of power in our government. Over the past 40 years Congress (both Republican and Dumocrat) and the Supreme Court have attempted to neuter the Executive Branch in an absurd power grab.

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The power grab ...
by Evie / January 24, 2006 3:57 AM PST

... I wonder if it is not fueled in part by how many Senators have failed in their bids for the White House.

Evie Happy

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Every President finds a boogeyman
by Diana Forum moderator / January 24, 2006 8:28 AM PST
In reply to: sure, throw the words

During my lifetime it was the Nazis, the Communists (and by definition North Korea, VietNam, China and the Soviet Union), drug dealers, and now al Qaeda to justify just about anything like interment camps and House of UnAmerican Activities Committee.


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