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Kerry and Fonda proves to be an internet lie!

Feb 15, 2004 4:40AM PST

As per local newspaper the picture of Kerry and Fonda so gleefully used by some is a fake
http://www.newsday.com/ny-vit0215,0,3963371.column

Perhaps the zealots on the left and right will learn,one of these days,that the LEAST reliable source of "news" is the internet. Of course that is just wishfull thinking ...

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What gives? Two posts on the same subject?
Feb 15, 2004 8:01AM PST
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The connection is there and always has been...
Feb 15, 2004 8:45AM PST

and what you linked to doesn't even tell the actual story (how could it, as if it did there would be no point to the site)

http://www.geocities.com/seavet72/AW/ws-kerry.htm

Don't pre-judge by the free hosting or less than professional site. Judge by the well documented references and pictures.

The VVAW's use of fake witnesses and the failure to cooperate with military authorities and to provide crucial details of the incidents further cast serious doubt on the professed desire to serve the causes of justice and humanity,"Lewy wrote. "It is more likely that this inquiry, like others earlier and later, had primarily political motives and goals." [see footnote #206] (Although it has been thoroughly discredited, the Winter Soldier "investigation" is still being cited today as "proof" of American servicemen's barbarity. Writer Susan Brownmiller referenced it in Newsweek in a 1993 story on gang rape by soldiers. [see footnote #207] )

The speech he gave when throwing someone else's medals over the fence wasn't even his own and the wording was eerily similar to his Senate Testimony.

But years later, after his election to the Senate, Kerry's medals turned up on the wall of his Capitol Hill office. When a reporter noticed them, Kerry admitted that the medals he had thrown that day were not his. [see footnote #209] And Kerry's emotional, from-the-heart speech had been carefully crafted by a speechwriter for Robert Kennedy named Adam Walinsky, who also tutored him on how to present it. TV reporters totally ignored another Vietnam veteran, Melville L. Stephens, a former aide to Adm. Elmo Zumwalt, chief of Naval Operations, who that same day urged the Senate not to abandon America's allies in South Vietnam.

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It's the abandonment of the South Vietnamese and other allies which is the real crime.
Feb 15, 2004 9:28AM PST

Whoever did that.

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Re:It's the abandonment of the South Vietnamese and other allies which is the real crime.
Feb 15, 2004 9:41AM PST

That is like saying because I thought your wife looked at me cross wise, I slapped her in the face and then said I was sorry believing that would absolve me of my crime.

After being lied to in order to get us into the war, your point is moot.

Same with Iraq.

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JFK lied to us? That justifies walking away from our allies?
Feb 15, 2004 11:33AM PST

Your post is nonsensible.

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Actually the Internet is the MOST reliable source of news...
Feb 15, 2004 8:21AM PST

as long as one actually takes the time to research what they are reading and seeing. That is why I like to see source references and links in the articles--lends a bit more credibility as they are not hiding things.

There are apparently a couple of people who are saying that the picture is not Light's but another taken shortly before his and reminding him that there were several with cameras taking pictures from the same location. So far it is just rumor but could prove interesting as the multiple cameras angle might just get a lot of old photos pulled out and looked at that have lain in shoeboxes for years.

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PS...
Feb 15, 2004 8:29AM PST

Ted Sampley, creator of www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com that Dave K. derided as did Josh had already received it but never posted it because he checked it out and some friends decided it was "too convenient" and probably an alteration. Definitely adds credibility to the rest of what they have posted on the site.

Can't find the first link to this info but here is another slightly different version:

That is apparently where someone found it, and attempted to capitalize on the attention garnered by an authentic photo of Kerry and Fonda at a Vietnam-era rally -- seated some distance apart -- posted early this month on a Web site called www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com. The Web site's creator, Ted Sampley, a Vietnam veteran from North Carolina, said he received the doctored photo by e-mail on Wednesday from a woman in Richmond, Va.

"Thought you might want to include this pic on your site," said the note from Loree Siemek, with an attachment called "HanoiJohn.jpg," a takeoff on "Hanoi Jane," the derisive nickname given to Fonda by her critics during the Vietnam era. It is made to look like a newspaper clipping, headlined "Fonda Speaks to Vietnam Veterans at Anti- War Rally," with an Associated Press photo credit. Sampley said he was immediately skeptical, and e-mailed it to some friends who concluded it was faked. He did not post it.

"I looked at it and it didn't feel right," Sampley said in an interview. "It just looked too good."