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Kasich just gave up, but doesn't yet realize it

by James Denison / March 14, 2016 11:24 AM PDT

How do I know that? Because guess who's on his bus as he travels around Ohio today? Mitt Romney. Why would you want a 2 time loser endorsing you?! Traveling with you? Standing on the stage with you? Oh Kasich, you just blew it big time.

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RE: Why would you want a 2 time loser endorsing you?
by JP Bill / March 14, 2016 11:38 AM PDT

It's working for Trump?

Palin, Christie, Carson, Mike Tyson

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Kasich...the last candidate who's
by Steven Haninger / March 14, 2016 12:48 PM PDT

not acting like he's insane and the only one left that didn't get into the mud with anyone during the debates. I guess it's true...that nice guys don't win. Such a shame. He's been a decent governor and not one who has been going around beating his breast like a fool on a mission to leave a trail of bodies behind him. Tomorrow is our primary and the Trump attack ads against Kasich are ridiculous. You'd think Trump's people would know better. You don't go into a state and attack a popular public servant and expect to be rewarded for it by the people who live there.

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RE: Kasich
by JP Bill / March 14, 2016 12:58 PM PDT

seems like a decent guy....

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which begs the question
by James Denison / March 14, 2016 2:55 PM PDT
In reply to: RE: Kasich

Why mess it up by bringing Romney into it? I think Kasich is hoping for brokered convention and Romney will get the insiders to give it to Kasich, or he can be VP on ticket with Romney at the head of it.

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I think it's a shame when
by Steven Haninger / March 14, 2016 4:54 PM PDT

respectability and elect-ability aren't personal qualities that work toward success. Romney's personal demeanor, morality, and ethical conduct leave Trump in the dust in regards to be respectable. Kasich is quite similar to Romney in many ways but he's certainly not the "in your face" warrior that seems to entertain Trump supporters.
But, Mr. Trump, you don't come into my state and beat up on my governor. Whether I'm fond of him or not, you're outside of your own family when you come here. Folks will defend their own drunken kin when attacked by non-family.

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Unfortunately for Kasich
by TONI H / March 15, 2016 3:11 AM PDT

his own policies have done him in because there are some pretty serious issues that he supports that the people just don't want, including the trade agreements and his view on the illegal immigrants.

I'm from Cleveland.....grew up and lived there for over half of my life until moving here to VA. Was back last July for a reunion with my older sister along with other events that were family oriented and drove around old neighborhoods.........so many abandoned properties, both residential and commercial, and was really disappointed and dismayed to see so many gone completely (razed), boarded up, ransacked from looters taking the copper et all. Pictures I've seen of Detroit came to mind and was horrified to realize that Cleveland is the same way. No wonder so many people across the country are pissed off.....you spend your entire life building it into something just to have politicians making bad decisions gut it all in a few short years. Entire states are turning into ghost towns with nowhere else to go anymore......

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Well...no offense meant but you don't live here now
by Steven Haninger / March 15, 2016 3:53 AM PDT

and I can tell you that any state I've been in has its city (or cities) that don't exemplify the state as a whole. In my work, I traveled the entire state and surrounding ones and know when I was entering a different world. Cleveland was, to me, its own place...attached to Ohio different from most of it.

Kasich's portfolio is arguably the best among the remaining candidates as far as experience and successes. No one gets everything right. Kasich's early undoing was trying to fix the Ohio public educational system by first removing some of the power the unions had attained over the years. He was taken to the woodshed over that and hasn't been the same since. He's still, IMO, level headed and respectful of other opinions. That may not be what everyone likes. Clearly, this time around, many want the dirt turned over and new soil exposed. Some don't even care what's down there.

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RE:you spend your entire life building it into something
by JP Bill / March 15, 2016 4:26 AM PDT

While you were building......were you adapting to the new world?

There aren't many blacksmiths around now.....They aren't delivering blocks of ice, with horse drawn wagons, to put in the "ice box" any more....Those were the days...I remember them well.

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Innovation is one thing...
by TONI H / March 15, 2016 5:44 AM PDT

totally gutting entire cities and states for political agendas is another....and it started in the 1970's (Nixon's era) with allowing companies to move their productions overseas for cheaper labor and then it went on to actually moving those entire companies out of this country with 'expansion' talk........

There have been many politicians, including BO, who have campaigned with words of "those manufacturing jobs are gone for good" as if that is a good thing, and those politicians have been losing ground rapidly recently. There are no longer any trade skills classes being taught in our schools anymore, focusing more on 'higher education' classes instead, which has deliberately wiped out entire industries of plumbers, auto repair, carpentry, electricians, etc. There is no excuse for that mentality since all it has resulted in has been a society of people now on welfare that didn't have to happen.

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Here in Maryland
by James Denison / March 15, 2016 6:23 AM PDT

many coming out of the vocational tech schools get jobs, while the college grads cool their heels at home with mom and dad. Cars still need repairs, plumbing still needs to be done, etc.

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RE:which has deliberately wiped out entire industries
by JP Bill / March 15, 2016 6:35 AM PDT
which has deliberately wiped out entire industries of plumbers, auto repair, carpentry, electricians, etc.

Deliberately?

Did people CHOSE to go to college/university instead of trade school?

You can lead a horse to water...but you can't make it drink?

So the people that got into "tech" picked the wrong horse... Time for them to "adapt".
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You have entirely missed the point as usual
by TONI H / March 15, 2016 7:04 AM PDT

those trades used to be taught in the schools themselves.....it gave kids the chance to see what they might be good at regarding choosing an alternate 'career' instead of college and they either went on to an actual trade school, which they paid for, or even an apprenticeship with local tradesmen to further that experience in those fields. That type of thinking has been tossed into the trash by politicians gutting the curriculum of the schools in favor of college focuses instead, which have hurt the economy and given false hopes to college graduates putting them into debt that they can't pay back now. And many, like in the 60's, aren't even taking classes in college geared toward an actual career.....they have turned into mindless professional students instead that feed off society to support them (and feeling the "bern" because he tells them he will continue to do so). Why be accountable for yourself when politicians tell you they will take care of you instead, much better than you ever could yourself?

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RE:those trades used to be taught in the schools themselves
by JP Bill / March 15, 2016 7:13 AM PDT

Is that so?...Like the Vocational school I attended?

Now, even to get into the "trades" in most places, you need a Grade 12 academic education....THEN you get a "trade"...back in the day...you took some academic in the last 3 or 4 years of high school AND some trade...enough "trade' to get you in to your chosen field, as an apprentice, after you graduate.

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Apples to oranges...USA to Canada
by TONI H / March 15, 2016 8:57 AM PDT

School classes were different here for many years until politicians decided to gut the school choices drastically, including eliminating band, phys ed, choir, etc.

However, even in your babble post, you appear to be agreeing with me.

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RE:you appear to be agreeing with me.
by JP Bill / March 15, 2016 12:03 PM PDT

So it's "babble" when I say something, and "sensible" when YOU say it, even though YOU think WE are in agreement?

And You're not babbling?

RE:Apples to oranges...USA to Canada

That's odd...because Steven has described exactly how things were with me in my High School.

RE:School classes were different here for many years until politicians decided to gut the school choices drastically, including eliminating band, phys ed, choir, etc.

Eliminating band?

Do you ever watch the Rose Bowl parade on New Years Day?

I've seen High School Bands with as many as 300 people marching in them.

phys ed? obesity among kids

We've got some data from hospitals in the U.S., we've got some data from South American regions, there's precious little from Europe, but all of them seem to show the same thing, and that is a dramatic increase in the operations to remove gallstones," said Davenport.

"So it is probably a factor of our way of life and the increasing levels of being overweight and having obesity."

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IF your schools were the same as the ones
by TONI H / March 15, 2016 2:24 PM PDT

Stephen described, then your babble didn't describe it that way at all or he wouldn't have had to say what he did. You are very obtuse with your descriptions, almost like creating a mystery novel with many twists and turns. Clarity for a change would be nice.

There are very few middle or high schools in our country today that still have band classes (and if there are any, the kids themselves have to pay for and supply their instruments and uniforms and provide their own transportation to 'meets'). As for eliminating phys ed classes as we knew it (including elementary school 'recess' time), perhaps THAT is the reason why we have no many obese children now that was almost non-existent before. (Eliminate physical activity = obesity in children = Fed Gov mandates regarding food being served that bankrupts the school budget because kids don't eat the crap).

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RE: then your babble didn't describe it that way at all o
by JP Bill / March 15, 2016 7:34 PM PDT

YOU said

those trades used to be taught in the schools themselves.

I responded

Is that so?...Like the Vocational school I attended?

As in...Been there, done that.

You said/asked

IF your schools were the same as the ones Stephen described, then your babble didn't describe it that way at all or he wouldn't have had to say what he did.

the other was "Vocational". Students could take electives in either path. The vocational path was different for males and females, however. Boys took "Shop" and girls took either secretarial or "Home Economics" classes.

I also talked about NOW

Now, even to get into the "trades" in most places, you need a Grade 12 academic education....THEN you get a "trade"...back in the day...you took some academic in the last 3 or 4 years of high school AND some trade...enough "trade' to get you in to your chosen field, as an apprentice, after you graduate.


Don't you love working "babble" into a conversation?

RE: (and if there are any, the kids themselves have to pay for and supply their instruments and uniforms and provide their own transportation to 'meets').

Who would you like to pay for that...The TAXPAYER?

Just like cellphones for welfare recipients?

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Re-read Stephen's post you quoted yourself
by TONI H / March 16, 2016 3:18 AM PDT

He specifically says that schools had TWO paths to go down regarding electives......Vocational or Educational.....You were taking normal classes such as English, Math, etc BUT with electives you could choose to ALSO take auto shop, carpentry, etc. instead of taking a 'study hall' class. It was all wrapped up into ONE school day. THEN if the kid wanted to pursue a career AFTER the 12th grade, he went on to a TRADE school for more training or was hired by a local in that field that trained him as an apprentice.

YOUR description of "Vocational School" made it sound as if that was the equivalent to our "Trade School". Soooooo....back to your descriptions being different from ours and being vague enough that people would misinterpret your words which gives you the ability to spin the conversation into babble. You should be HC's speech writer instead of wasting your time in here.......

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RE:YOUR description of "Vocational School" made it sound as
by JP Bill / March 16, 2016 4:43 AM PDT
YOUR description of "Vocational School" made it sound as if that was the equivalent to our "Trade School".

That's because IT WAS>>>>It taught sheet metal, Auto mechanics, electrical, Radio Electronics, Bookkeeping, Clerical Work, Home Economics...I could go on, but why bother.

I also had the option of taking taking a straight "Academic" Course.....NO Trades.
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BUT by your own definition/
by TONI H / March 16, 2016 6:05 AM PDT

explanation, your Vocational School is NOT the equivalent because it wasn't done during actual highschool hours like our vocational classes were....YOUR vocational school is actually what we called our TRADE SCHOOLS which were entered into AFTER graduation and continued their education/training in that field.

So WHICH of your descriptions is correct since you seem to wanting your cake and eating it too with a forked-tongue answer that spins it into whichever side you want it to fall on....typical of liberals?

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RE: it wasn't done during actual highschool hours
by JP Bill / March 16, 2016 6:48 AM PDT
it wasn't done during actual highschool hours like our vocational classes were.

WHERE did you see that? WHERE did I say that?

Copy, Cut and Paste THAT claim in a post made by me.

You did know how to "Copy, Cut and Paste" don't you?
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Here is your copy/paste statement
by TONI H / March 16, 2016 9:48 AM PDT

"Is that so?...Like the Vocational school I attended?"

As I said, you made it sound as if your "vocational school' was the equivalent of our "trade schools", which take place ONLY after high school graduation. You have never mentioned or even suggested that your high school COMBINED a 'vocational/trade' class alongside regular academic classes like ours did.

So, which is it? Vocational school = AFTER high school graduation or Vocational CLASSES taken at the same time as regular academic classes are taken in high school?

You DO know how to relay correct data/information in your statements, don't you?

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RE:Here is your copy/paste statement
by JP Bill / March 16, 2016 11:05 AM PDT

it wasn't done during actual highschool hours like our vocational classes were.

WHERE did you see that? WHERE did I say that?

Copy, Cut and Paste THAT claim in a post made by me.

You did know how to "Copy, Cut and Paste" don't you?

So WHERE is the reference to wasn't done during actual highschool hours/b] in your "Copy, Cut and Paste" response?

As I said, you made it sound as if your "vocational school' was the equivalent of our "trade schools"

Made it sound as if?

Get your hearing checked...And your eyes.

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again with your babble
by TONI H / March 16, 2016 1:25 PM PDT

YOUR "vocational school" vs OUR "trade school"......you claim they are the same, but they are NOT.

WE had HIGH school (9-12 grades) where students took normal academic classes and instead of a 'study hall' elective, they replaced the study hall periods with vocational training in auto repair, carpentry, etc. TRADE school came AFTER graduation.

YOU have NEVER, in your description, stated that "vocational school" was either the same as our high school curriculum or if it was a separate AFTER graduation "TRADE school". IF you went to a high school was it EVER considered to be a COMPLETELY "VOCATIONAL school" which is what you appear to be saying it was. The Chinese actually HAVE "VOCATIONAL schools" where students from the time they enter kindergarten are taking ONLY subjects that are selected FOR them that WILL become their eventual CAREERS.....is that how YOUR schools work?

Before you get your panties in a twist again, JP, try CLARIFICATION of your definition of what constitutes a "vocational school" vs a 'normal high school that ALSO has 'trade classes' like ours did. Because you STILL haven't done so.

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RE:Before you get your panties in a twist again
by JP Bill / March 16, 2016 1:43 PM PDT
In reply to: again with your babble

we don't get our panties in a twist up here, we get our knickers in a knot.

I think I'm beginning to understand how Trump can get so many people to vote for him.

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And based on your responses
by TONI H / March 16, 2016 3:11 PM PDT

I'm beginning to understand how HC gets away with her bulls...

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Re:how HC gets away with her bulls...
by JP Bill / March 16, 2016 7:07 PM PDT
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RE:BUT by your own definition/
by JP Bill / March 16, 2016 7:04 AM PDT
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RE:You should be HC's speech writer
by JP Bill / March 16, 2016 4:56 AM PDT
You should be HC's speech writer instead of wasting your time in here.......

I'm not wasting MY time...I'm wasting YOUR time.
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