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Kagan, avowed Socialist.

by James Denison / May 14, 2010 4:40 PM PDT

It was there, but it's been pulled. An institution of higher learning suddenly decided they didn't want you learning what the current nominated appointee for Supreme Court really believes. That's OK, those who saw it, before the coverup by university, tells about what was in it. It's interesting that Huffpo noticed it and then redstate gets a call for it's removal from Princeton. Her words;

If the history of Local New York shows anything, it is that American radicals cannot afford to become their own worst enemies. In unity lies their only hope.



There's also a fairly exhaustive look at her in this SCOTUS specific blog. Quite a few links from there.


Her Harvard page.

Newsweek about her.

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(NT) to be fair, it was pulled for copyright reasons
by jonah jones / May 14, 2010 6:13 PM PDT
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that's true
by James Denison / May 15, 2010 1:39 AM PDT

and supposedly it can be accessed from the university on line.

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RE: In unity lies their only hope.
by JP Bill / May 14, 2010 8:15 PM PDT

Doesn't that apply to any group?

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Not really a lot there...
by EdHannigan / May 14, 2010 11:20 PM PDT

Of course Obama is going to nominate a leftist. Goes without saying.

I love the contortions the media goes through to paint her as a "moderate". If she were really a moderate they would be a lot more critical.

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Is this kneejerk reaction to her nomination?
by James Denison / May 15, 2010 1:42 AM PDT

I think one item that has many concerned is the entire family, especially her brother. When you consider Obama's grandparents were "fellow travelers" a slang for communist back in the day, and his mother at least a socialist, then we see Obama's approach in office, perhaps the apple doesn't fall that far from the tree?

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Not a kneejerk readction
by EdHannigan / May 15, 2010 2:57 AM PDT

I read everything. There's not much there. The Newsweek piece gives evidence on HER side.

I think she's a liberal, there's no doubt about that. Socialist I'm not seeing evidence.

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Kagan is not African American
by James Denison / May 15, 2010 5:38 AM PDT

Leading it off into "race" baiting again?

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RE: Kagan is not African American
by JP Bill / May 15, 2010 7:35 AM PDT

AND she is also NOT Obamas Grandparents..

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Philosophical connection
by James Denison / May 15, 2010 2:02 PM PDT

You lose again.

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RE: Philosophical connection
by JP Bill / May 15, 2010 7:57 PM PDT
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I am not inclined to take a college thesis as a...
by grimgraphix / May 14, 2010 11:55 PM PDT

... statement of political manifesto that a person lives by for the rest of their life. A paper on early 20th century socialism is hardly an endorsement for conversion to the dark side.

I also think back to my college days of the 1980's studying history. Frankly, in depth studies of communism and socialism in higher education were being encouraged because of the political tone set by Reagan's headlong rush to confront the remnants of the cold war. Despite the stupid clothes and funky hair in the 80's, US society as a whole was serious about confronting communism and socialism across the world, from South America to Eastern Europe and Africa (we had kind of given up on S E Asia by then).

It would surprise me if anyone thinking about political science, the law, and/or a future in government work did not do a few papers on communism and socialism back then. Having said that, I couldn't say if my musings apply to Kagan further, without actually reading her paper.

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It will be interesting if...
by James Denison / May 15, 2010 1:45 AM PDT

...during any hearings on her nomination, the thesis had portions read from it and she's asked if she still agrees with any conclusions in it, or to describe what she was trying to convey then and how she feels about it now, and what she could point to since then to show any changes in position.

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(NT) exam question : Please compare and contrast ... ^_^
by grimgraphix / May 15, 2010 1:51 AM PDT
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(NT) as you noted, there's good reason for such questions
by James Denison / May 15, 2010 1:56 AM PDT
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It seems...
by Willy / May 15, 2010 8:34 PM PDT

All the SCJ's come from the same mold, they're all from Harvard, Yale and Princeton(?). Gee, no other university ever get a wiggle in to a higher court. I thought it was interesting to note that. -----Willy Happy

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Frat boy mentality
by Steven Haninger / May 15, 2010 11:27 PM PDT
In reply to: It seems...

A lot of that seems to go on with appointed positions and even those "allowed to" seek election.

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The Gay Question
by James Denison / May 17, 2010 6:38 AM PDT

Is she? Maybe it's time someone asked? I'd think for Supreme Court it should be "do ask, do tell".


She plays softball. Huge hint, right?

She's 50, single and has a short haircut. Yup, definitely a lesbian.

Or is she? And if so (though that appears to be a big "if"), so what? Should it matter?

These are questions that have circulated about Elena Kagan for a while. But since President Barack Obama introduced her as his next nominee to the U.S. Supreme Court a week ago, the speculation has never been greater _ or the handling of it more awkward.

It's a sign that, in a nation where gayness is as mainstream as ever, sexual orientation is still a delicate topic for anyone in America, across the spectrum of beliefs and politics.

"Even the leadership of the Democratic party is still uncomfortable handling the issue," says Kenneth Sherrill,....(more)

full view

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Does anyone care?
by EdHannigan / May 17, 2010 6:42 AM PDT
In reply to: The Gay Question

What difference would it make?

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by James Denison / May 17, 2010 6:54 AM PDT
In reply to: Does anyone care?

If she allows personal vices to become the basis if legal rulings.

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Huh? Personal vices?
by EdHannigan / May 17, 2010 7:01 AM PDT
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I doubt that has any validity. Everyone on earth uses personal feelings/prejudices to make judgments, no matter how hard they try to be objective. But there are 9 of them

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Where exactly did she "avow" Socialism?
by Josh K / May 17, 2010 7:34 AM PDT

She wrote a college thesis on the socialist movement in New York in the 1930s. How does that make her an "avowed Socialist?"

If I write a book about the Third Reich does that make me a Nazi?

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It would if you....
by James Denison / May 17, 2010 8:25 AM PDT

...seemed to lament their failures.

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The American socialist movement in the 20's and 30's
by grimgraphix / May 17, 2010 8:47 AM PDT
In reply to: It would if you....

We are talking about a bunch of idealistic intellectuals with utopian ideas of social equality and eliminating poverty.

Equality and eliminating poverty.

The fact that they failed to achieve such goals is lamentable.

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by James Denison / May 17, 2010 9:11 AM PDT

What do you mean by that? Equal goods or wealth? Equal work? Equal education? Equal housing? Equal opportunity? Equal pay? What's yours is mine and what's mine is yours? Toss it all in the middle, then divide equal shares to all?

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What are you asking about ?
by grimgraphix / May 17, 2010 9:41 AM PDT
In reply to: Equality?

Your questions jump from nuances of the US Bill of Rights, to economics, to social opportunity, to socialism, to communism, to Stone Soup...

You will have to narrow down your focus... Happy

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just following behind you
by James Denison / May 17, 2010 9:51 AM PDT

you wrote; "We are talking about a bunch of idealistic intellectuals with utopian ideas of social equality and eliminating poverty. Equality and eliminating poverty. The fact that they failed to achieve such goals is lamentable.

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Well, James...
by J. Vega / May 17, 2010 10:49 AM PDT
In reply to: Equality?

I took a look at he web site of the Socialist Party of the USA and found these words:
The problem for socialists now is how to move people towards broad-based left-wing independent political action without creating, or contributing to, the usual social democratic illusions about managing a capitalist ?mixed? economy and/or accumulating incremental reforms through purely electoral means, as described earlier.
This could be accomplished by advocating a third anti-capitalist party to put big business under public ownership, with workers? and consumers? control. Socialists would urge the labor movement, movements of people of color and women, the peace and environmentalist movements and others to take steps towards the formation of such an anti-capitalist third party, while continuing struggles outside the electoral arena. This is a strategic approach towards developing a socialist consciousness, as well as one which could help people move towards independent political action at the local, state and/or national levels.
A third movement-based left party is expected, as a minimum requirement for support, to be anti-racist, feminist, pro-labor and anti-war. While socialists can avoid making a specifically socialist platform a pre-condition for participation, they should continue to advocate the public ownership of big business under democratic control.
Such an advocacy of a third left party is based largely on the view that it is unlikely that the American people will come directly to revolutionary democratic socialism ? that some intermediate phase of breaking with the Democratic and Republican parties, and of radicalizing experiences, will be necessary.

I wonder what they meant by "radicalizing experiences".

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So did she "seem" to avow socialism?
by Josh K / May 17, 2010 11:36 PM PDT
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Because that's not what your subject line said.

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You might could...
by James Denison / May 18, 2010 12:38 AM PDT

...work "seem" in there. Everything is not always what it seems. Many times it's exactly what it seems. Time reveals all, especially when a person gains some power. Of course by then, it's often too late.

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