Jordans / JTJ Online Store OK??

My mom and I have pretty much accepted we were ripped off.

I did file a report with the BBB in New York though.

I am more upset for the people who spent more than I did. I mean $239.00 is a lot, don't get me wrong but so is $800, $500, and such.

I remember the 2nd email I received from them and it seemed fishy to me. It was a typo in the subject line but I figured, "Well, they're a small company and whoever did it was just typing too fast. No big deal." ::sigh::

We should have just canceled our check right then.

I am in the same boat as a lot of the people are in this forum. I made an order a few weeks ago and have not heard from them since. I sent in one inquiry that was replied to but I suspect that was to keep me from cancelling my check. We do need to make sure that others are not duked like we were. I think that the people who have posted that they have received their orders are also in on this scam. There is no way that anyone could have actually received an item from this fraudulent company; PERIOD!!!!

File police reports, internet fraud and anything else. Those sc*mbags.

Well for you punks, you can be assured that we are coming after you.

I just got this message from JTJ:

Refund to be processed.


Thank you for contacting JTJ Online - Wholesale / Retail Consumer electronics products - specializing in supplying online retail and auction sellers with today's top sellers.

JTJ Online Team

Please let us know if we can be of further assistance.


Manager's Note: Your order was shipped via U.S.P.S. First-Class mail and, for reasons that we have not yet been given, not delivered (This has occurred with several other orders as as well). If we do not hear from you within 48 hours, the order will be marked priority and shipped via FedEx (at no additional cost).

Should you wish to cancel, you are eligible for a refund. Refunds are processed within 48 hours of a request (provided your payment to us has be credited. Should you opt to cancel, please respond to this email within 48 hours, and place the request: Refund Please, and your Order ID number(s) in the subject line of the email.

UPDATE (Kyle Stock Manager)

Inventory unavailable. This order cannot be filled until July 6, 2006. Customer should be informed of option to cancel. (If cancel & refund request has already been received, inform customer that refund will be processed within 72 hours, excluding holidays and weekends, and a check issued to the payee via first-class USPS mail.) If customer has opted to wait, they should be informed that order will ship between July 6 and 9, 2006. If customer wishes to change shipping information, they should do so by contacting ORDERS@jtjonline.com and place the term ORDER CHANGE & their order number in the subject line of the email.)

Note: Our automatic system erroneously sent ship notices before stock was confirmed. This problem has been corrected.

Cheryl


JTJ Online team

We will see If I get a refund!!!!

I suspect they are just buying time to get out of town. I spoke to the storage company that hosts the PO box and she told me this guy gave the box to somebody else and closed his account.

I doubt there is a "sheryl" or a "kyle". THere is one sharp kid probably who figured out a scam hot to rip people off.

Notice they never return your calls, and you get canned emails? They have stopped replying to my emails altogether, as my tone has been very matter of fact and threatening. We're going to need multiple people to call the computer crime line to get this guy investigated and thrown in jail.

contact information please post!

I was scammed by these guys as well. Here are a few places I plan to report them to. I encourage others to do the same, since the authorities are more likely to go after these guys if they establish a pattern. (Including the URL to this thread in any complaints might also help.)

1. Better Business Bureau metro NY
http://www.newyork.bbb.org/home2.aspx

2. Federal Trade Commission Consumer Complaint form
https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=

3. FBI's Internet Crime Complaint Center (develops and refers complaints to local, state, and national law enforcement level as appropriate)
http://www.ic3.gov/

I would still be interested in the police report contact info. as well.

Thanks. Best to all.

This is not my first bout with internet fraud. Your (our) best bet is to contact the Long Island City police department, so they can move fast on this thief before he/they disappear. He had to show proof of ID to get the mailbox, and to endorse the checks (one would hope).

I don't think there is a "business" to speak of. I think it's all hoey. This is one or two guys ripping people off, so BBB, etc. isn't really going to do a lot of good.

Folks, look - I'm buying a house right now. Can someone else take the lead on establishing a case with the proper authorities in Long Island City and post the contact info for everyone else? Thanks.

The phone number of the New York Police Department Computer Crimes Unit is

646-610-5397

They're available from 8:00 AM to 4:00 PM Eastern Time.

I will do my best to call today.

hi, i am another one who was ripped off by this company or what ever it is. i would like to know what you got from the police .. i will try to contact the police also.

It's more of a jurisdictional thing. We'd all have to contact our local police and they would get in touch with the New York authorities.
My mom is going to call our local police some time today when she gets time and report it to them.

Let me know how it all goes for the rest of you.
Hopefully we can get our money back and if not that, maybe this guy or group of people can get thrown into prison.

I called the NYPD number (646-610-5397) provided earlier. I talked to an officer John Ruiz, whose email is jr@ccsnypd.org . He and I didn't discuss this, but it might help if you emailed him your story so there is one contact point. He also said I need to contact my local authorities, and the FBI (he told me IFCCFBI.gov is their website) due to the multi-jurisdictional nature. The FBI acts as a clearing house in cases like this.

I just received a certified check for the price of two moto razr phones plus $25.00 to pay for my bank's stop-payment charge. The check I received says "JTJ Online" and is signed by J Kaufman - The bank is Washington Mutual and the bank's address is 1760 Market St, Philadelphia, 19103. The company address for JTJ Online is 51 N 3RD ST PHILADELPHIA, PA 19106. The New York address was a temporary warehouse service of some sort that was forwarding mail to Philadelphia. I did tons of searches, and finally sent an email threatening to sue for false advertisement - IN THE SUBJECT LINE I PUT: LEGAL NOTICE. Five days later got my money. Apparently this is not a scam but, rather, just a poor business operation. They accept only mail orders because Visa and MC don't allow them to operate using credit cards because they accept the money before they ship the order. It goes like this: they get a hundred orders and then buy in quantity. But their sales in June were down and so they are continuing to DELAY in order to reach enough orders so they can buy and make a profit. It's not illegal, but it is against certain regulations. My recommendation: Threaten to sue, and be firm. Hope this helps.

This will surely be a BIG help. I'll let my mom know about this.

Thank you SOOOOO much.

I hope this is true , if there is someone of you guys live in philadelphia, it will be a great help if he checked this address . we need to know if this company exist or not.
i already placed a complaint at the FBI site. i hope everyone do so.

Jeez, these people have nerve. I googled this address and it's a UPS store. What a crock.

::shakes head::

I wouldn't be surprised if they worked for the "company."

Could you please give me the Pennsylvania phone number to contact the jtj supply company so I too, can get my money back for the digital camera I never received. Thanks for your help.

My order on 6/8/06 was said to have shipped 6/19/06.

I still have no product, and they've not responded to my emails. I'm not in panic-mode yet but I'm concerned.

Here's what I see now...

1) New cancellation message - Their website says that all orders after June 1, 2006 are cancelled. They were not able to meet some order amount or something. It says refunds will be sent within 30 days of this notice which is posted 6/30/06.

It worries me b/c it allows so much time.

2) Check cashing - The person "Jordan" added their last name to the Pay To The Order Of line on my check and then cashed it. I have a photocopy of the check to prove this... with his/her signature on the back and their bank account number.

If anyone has any other information, please keep posting. I think if it's legit and they're refunding people, we should know to rest easy. If it's a scam, I'm not beyond finding this person and doing whatever it takes to get my money back.

We ordered a cell phone in early June and received the same vague messages everyone else is getting. I noticed their shopping cart account is canceled today. I didn't look at this yesterday. I did see the message about refunds yesterday.

The New York Attorney General, Eliot Spitzer, has a internet fraud division. If you Google ATTORNEY GENERAL OF NEW YORK there is a specific form to complete for internet complaints. I would suggest printing that out and begin filling it in and get it in the mail. If several of us send this in he will be more likely to take action than if he only gets one or two complaints. If the place is ligitimate we should get our money. If not we at least have taken another avenue to find resolution to the problem.

We need somebody in Philadelphia/Long Island City to initiate legal/civil actions against this individual, since that is where the fraud took place. I was told refunds would .."be going out July 3rd", and guess what, no refund still.

I don't like what I'm seeing , or what I'm hearing so far, and I'm skeptical I'll ever see my money. That said, I do plan to persue Mr. Kaufman to the fullest extent of the law, expecially since we have his name, bank, and address information. The key to success is to initiate legal actions NOW as opposed to the bogus "..30 days from June 30th" that the website says. This guy could be long gone by then.

Face it folks - we are either being ripped off now, or very close to it. July 30th gives this guy way too much time.

I ordered a RAZR V3i phone back on 6/14/06, and am still awaiting my promised refund on this purchase. It looks like I have received all the same emails that the rest of you have regarding this, and it looks like we all, in fact, have been scammed. I have sent one final email to JTJ requesting specifics regarding my refund progress, and if I have not received an adequate response by Wednesday, I plan to report all of this to the proper authorities. I encourage everyone to do the same. Good luck, and be sure to post any additional info you guys find out along the way!

I recommend that no one should wait for anything any more time , we will not receive anything form this jordans. i myself had sent many emails asking about my refund and i didn't get any reply. I doubt that anyone has received any refund.

PLEASE PEOPLE TAKE ACTION.

...You send someone what amounts to cash.

You sendd it to an internet place with essentially no physical address.

Their contact number has a 718 area code meaning it's in Brooklyn or Queens and is definitely in NYC.

Everyone knows you NEVER, EVER buy from any mail order place in NYC unless it's one of the few known reputable places.

All because you're chasing a price that you know damn well is way too good to be true.

And you have the audacity to express outrage that you were ripped off???

Didn't your mom ever tell you guys the one about "if it's too good to be true it probably is?"

Yeah these places are a disgrace and should all be shut down with their proprieters thrown in jail but c'mon now, you can't really be too surprised something like this happened to you.

You fell for the oldest scam in the book guys.

Consider it an expensive life lesson.

The wheels of justice turn slowly. You can always rescind your complaint should you get paid. Was told refunds would "go out July 3rd". Haven't seen anything.

I bought Ipod 60GB for $339 on June,4.Never received it.My refund should have been processed on July.3.
Never received it .No responce from the company at all.....I call 311 and filled some report on line but I think my money are gone...