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Nov 16, 2009 10:54AM PST

I currently have a HP Pavilion dv2313cl, and its starting to get on my nerves. I don't mind PC's at all, or even Vista. Its just the laptop itself.

The battery lasts 5 minutes, the cord is breaking (Bought a new universal cord, which broke after a few days. Adapter litterally fell apart) And now the plastic hard drive cover is breaking. Sure, these things can be replaced, but I've also had my hard drive fail, and my network adapter as well. I got this computer on my 18th birthday, which was a little over 2 years ago.

So I was wondering if there are any sturdy and reliable laptops out there. I am a PC guy, but I'm completely open to a Macbook, too. In fact, I might prefer it because it looks VERY durable, has a great battery, and definitely won't have problems with a battery adapter falling apart because of the cord being tugged.

My only problem with the Macbook is that its expensive...danged expensive....But the problem is, I know a computer guy who says that in order to get a sturdy and reliable PC, I'd have to spend $1000+ anyways.

Can anyone give me advice on this matter?
I would greatly appreciate it.

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Let's look at the battery specs.
Nov 16, 2009 9:02PM PST

I see a 300 cycle battery so it is possible nothing is wrong here. The battery is worn out. Apple has made a decision to fit batteries with more cycles and more hours of run time so you should get years out of the battery Apple uses versus the year or so from what everyone else puts in.

This is caused by us. We asked for lower prices and got it.

The same issue with sturdiness. If I look at that Compaq Armada we have at the office it is a TANK compared to today's models. But then again it cost 4 times what we pay today.

I you want a tank, don't buy the consumer models but look at laptops like the Toughbook.

The Apple is a nice choice for the reasons given but we made these choices to get the price down.
Bob

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Battery was always like that
Nov 17, 2009 1:16AM PST

Well that's just the thing...it was ALWAYS like that. From the moment I bought it, I could never take it around just on the battery. It was brand new, too.

I will take a look at the toughbook, though. Is it reliable in terms of the hard drive, network adapter and other components? I hated that those parts in my laptop died, because I had to go without doing homework for a bit. Thankfully my college professor was understanding.

I hope its cheaper than the Macbook pro, because if it isn't, I'm going for that.

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Hmm..no edit button?
Nov 17, 2009 1:21AM PST

I just looked at the toughbook...dang!
That's spendy!

Is there anything comparable to the Mac in terms of the sturdiness on the PC side? Something cheaper?

I don't have $1200+ lying around, but if there is nothing else, I'll work something out

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I would not call the Apple sturdy.
Nov 17, 2009 1:26AM PST

The Armada and tough books are sturdy but look what we paid for those.

Maybe next time you don't accept the lemon and take better care of your laptop?
Bob

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Which begs the questions.
Nov 17, 2009 1:24AM PST

If it did that new, why was it not fixed under warranty?

And why would you think that this was how a machine should work?

I fear that you need to complain more when a new machine is defective.
Bob

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If you're not looking to shell out the dough...
Nov 17, 2009 2:23AM PST

There are definitely lots of choice sout there for new laptops, but Bob is right in that with your seemingly rough style of ownership, you might want to opt for something on the industrial side.

There are a ton of options out there and it comesn down to really finding the PC that meets your price and offers you the features you're looking for.

Windows just launched this new PC Scout tool that helps you by giving you the option of sliding bars and entering values to pick the laptops that fit your needs/wants. Give it a try, then actually go get your hands on the machines to make sure you're getting something you'll be happy with.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pc-scout/default.aspx

Cheers,
Ron

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I appreciate the help
Nov 17, 2009 5:16AM PST

one issue that the PC scout did not touch on is durability. It was a great help though, and a pretty brilliant feature on the windows site.

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Sure thing
Nov 20, 2009 1:30PM PST

Yeah, I'll admit the durability factor could be added. Or maybe we can just ship you some bubble wrap for your PC? Happy

Cheers,
Ron
Windows Outreach Team

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LOL
Nov 23, 2009 5:11AM PST

Well, bubble wrap would be useful if I was dropping my PC and bumping it around! Unfortunately, its breaking just from normal use, like picking it up with one hand. My mom's PC got stepped on a couple years back and worked OK until now when its ports (USB, etc) started failing.

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NEW IDEA. JUST RECALLED A LAPTOP THAT DID THAT.
Nov 17, 2009 2:48AM PST

Down in the power management settings someone had set the alarm and shut off levels for the battery to 80 or so percent. Here's an overview of Windows's battery settings ->
"How can I change the low-battery level?

1. Open Power Options by clicking the Start button Picture of the Start button, clicking Control Panel, clicking System and Maintenance, and then clicking Power Options.
2. On the Select a power plan page, click Change plan settings under the selected plan.
3. On the Change settings for the plan page, click Change advanced power settings.
4. On the Advanced settings tab, expand Battery, expand Low battery level, click On battery, and then click the arrow to change the number to the percentage of battery charge at which you want to receive the low-battery notification.
5. Click OK, and then click Save changes.

When the battery charge reaches the critical battery level, Windows does what the critical battery action specifies. By default, the critical battery action is to put your mobile PC into hibernation. In this case, Windows saves your work to your hard disk so that it can be restored when the computer comes out of hibernation. To change the critical battery action, see Choose low and critical power levels for your battery."

More at http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-vista/Battery-meter-frequently-asked-questions

Thanks for telling about the 5 minutes when new. I wonder if some one tinkered in this area.
Bob

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Battery levels
Nov 17, 2009 7:36AM PST

Are you saying that I might have my battery levels messed up?

I just checked, and it has it on 5%.
I personally just think this battery sucks!

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Take a chance. Change it to 10%.
Nov 17, 2009 8:02AM PST

One of the really odd things about that item is it could be messed up.

It's sad you got a lemon but while working on another problem your problem came back to haunt me as I remembered an old laptop that its battery was a 5 minute wonder. It was never busted. It was Windows...
Bob

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On the off chance.
Nov 17, 2009 8:10AM PST

While I don't use the advice at http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=91846#post1696318

In this case it's time to try it. DO NOT BOOT TO WINDOWS. Just head to the BIOS screen and let it sit there and take that advice for a last hurrah.

-> And why didn't you make this a warranty issue? Seems you would get a dim view of this make if you kept a lemon.
Bob

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thoughts
Nov 17, 2009 4:35AM PST

The guy who said tough PCs are kind of expensive was right...The cheap ones are just not made very well. As for Macs being extra tough, well it depends on what your going to do with it. If you mean "does the machine hold up well against scratches, cracks, and slight dents", then your going to have to look far and wide for something better than a Mac, because they are made with glass or aluminum (except the MacBook) rather than plastic and..well, plastic. But, if you mean, is it going to stand up to multiple drops onto a hard surface from several feet in the air, well, I doubt you'll find many computers at ALL that can take that without a serious problem coming up sooner or later. As for how long Macs last, well, I've mentioned in several other posts that I own a first generation iMac G3 from 1999 that's faster and can do more than my four year old Dell Inspiron.

Battery life is great on these things. I can go around two and a half days on one charge with my MacBook Pro 13", using the computer probably two+ hours per day. And it lasts around 4 hours when watching DVDs. Some people have complained about the batteries being non removable, seriously, how often do you need an extra battery when you can get nearly 7 hours of use from just one? And, when you need to get the battery replaced, it only costs $150 to take it to the Apple store and have a new one installed. It costs $180 for a new battery in my old Dell Inspiron.

What's more, you get a lot more than just a tough package and a good battery. There are lots of hardware features that are useful too, like backlit keyboards, multi touch trackpads, Firewire, auto screen dimming/keyboard illumination, webcam and mic for video chat, lots of function buttons on the keyboard, an ultra slim slot load dvd burner, etc...Very few of these things are available on a ultra light 13" laptop, and no competitors have all of them. Then there's the OS and all the built in programs too. Add all that to the 8+ year lifespan, slick yet tough design, and excellent battery, and I think you'll agree Macs are definitely worth the money.

anyway, that's the Mac side of the argument.

On the PC side, well, I guess PCs are cheaper...

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Wow...do you work for apple? ;)
Nov 17, 2009 5:14AM PST

Or at a Mac store?

You touched on all the critical issues there, I really appreciate it.

When it comes to the durability, I don't drop my computer at all, so I won't have to worry about that. Mac is looking pretty strong in my case...

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LOL
Nov 17, 2009 6:07AM PST

No I actually don't work at Apple....But I wish I did. That would be cool!
I'm just a guy who likes his MacBook Pro too much.

Glad I could help.

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I'll confess...
Nov 17, 2009 6:54AM PST

I was a PC guy, and still kinda am. Everyone in my family has a PC. My friends and my girlfriend have Macs and they all try to bring me to "the dark side" as they called it.

I didn't have any problems with PC's until now. I just CANNOT find something that's durable enough to withstand what I do. And that's the thing...I don't DO much. I use my PC for schoolwork, a tiny amount of gaming (battlefield 1942) music, pictures, internet and the like. When my HD and network adapter fails from this...when my power cord, and my HD cover break...I just have to ask "Why?..I don't put you through much?"

But to be fair to the PC...I posted here and asked all for your opinions on here. You provided the best argument so far, and it was for the Mac.

the only problem is the pricetag.