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John Murtha dies

Feb 8, 2010 6:17AM PST

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oh well.
Feb 8, 2010 6:45AM PST

another open spot now?

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(NT) Keepin' it classy, I see. Nice.
Feb 8, 2010 10:30PM PST
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He was spat upon
Feb 8, 2010 11:07PM PST

.... because of the 'Nam War. I suspect there will be plenty spitting on him in death. Those will include some of his Marine "Brothers". Sad

Angeline

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As he spat on them?
Feb 8, 2010 11:21PM PST

Falsely accusing them of war crimes.

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(NT) link it or lose it, thank you
Feb 9, 2010 1:40AM PST
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figuratively
Feb 9, 2010 1:59AM PST

Quite a few were upset with him and his treatment of some Marines under accusation and figuratively have compared it to those who spit on them coming back from Viet Nam. Far as I know he never did it literally.

LINK">http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=John+Murtha+spit+Marines&aq=&aqi=&oq=John+Murtha+spit+Marines&fp=c26c79a56c95bda8]LINK [/url}

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What?
Feb 9, 2010 2:04AM PST
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Falsely accusing them of war crimes.
Feb 9, 2010 2:15AM PST

i fail to see any mention in the article you so kindly provided

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it was all over the news here,
Feb 9, 2010 3:36AM PST

maybe you didn't see it?

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He probably didn't
Feb 9, 2010 3:54AM PST

also see that there were enough questions about the event that they did charge 8 Marines.

As of June 17, 2008, six defendants had their cases dropped and one was found not guilty. The exception is SSgt. Wuterich, whose trial date has been postponed.[12] At least three officers have been officially reprimanded for failing to properly initially report and investigate the killings.[13]

On 31DEC07, Marine Corps officials announced that Staff Sergeant Frank Wuterich and First Lieutenant Andrew Grayson will be sent to court-martial for their involvement in the killing of 24 Iraqi civilians in Haditha.

* SSgt Wuterich will be tried for voluntary manslaughter, aggravated assault, reckless endangerment, obstruction of justice, and dereliction of duty.
* 1stLt Grayson will be tried for obstructing justice, false official statement, and fraudulently attempting to get out of the Marine Corps.

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(NT) Change "charged" to " had Article 32 hearings"
Feb 9, 2010 4:13AM PST
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exactly and Jonah
Feb 9, 2010 5:11AM PST

should have checked this out before he replied. 2 out of 8, so not all of them

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2 out of 8
Feb 9, 2010 5:20AM PST

and those 2 were Marines?

6 falsely and 2 truthfully?

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no
Feb 9, 2010 5:22AM PST

if truthfully, by now they would be in Leavenworth, are they??

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by now they would be in Leavenworth, are they??
Feb 9, 2010 5:45AM PST

YOU know where they aren't....tell me/us where they are now.

I can't find any info on these cases.

How is the Military handling the situation now.

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(NT) done with????
Feb 9, 2010 6:00AM PST
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Investigation ended Sept 2007
Feb 9, 2010 5:41AM PST

2 1/2 years ago...Swept under the carpet?

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LOL!
Feb 9, 2010 5:46AM PST

since you know when it ended I think not!

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go look under your carpet, quick!
Feb 9, 2010 8:35AM PST
Devil
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since you know when it ended I think not!
Feb 9, 2010 9:17AM PST

Since the investigation is over they must be in the trial phase. Where ever he is, someone is collecting money NOW for a legal defense.

2010 now Getting awfully close to 3 years....the wheels of Military Justice surely do grind slowly. The finer the grinding (longer it takes) the easier it is to sweep it under the carpet.

Your link doesn't know how to spell his name correctly.

Marine Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich, a family man and squad leader at Haditha incident needs our help NOW with Legal
Defense Funding

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Glad you asked. Your contribution can be done here, JPBill.
Feb 9, 2010 9:24AM PST
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RE: Your contribution
Feb 9, 2010 9:32AM PST

go look under your carpet, quick!...Too Slow...it was there a second ago.

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just 2 points
Feb 9, 2010 11:21AM PST

i asked EdH for a link
his link didn't mention war crimes
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What he said....
Feb 9, 2010 10:37PM PST
"It's much worse than reported in Time magazine. There was no fire fight. There was no IED that killed these innocent people. Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood. And that's what the report is going to tell."

Murdering civilians in cold blood in a war zone is a war crime is it not? He is widely reported as having falsely accused them of committing war crimes.
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Actually Angeline
Feb 9, 2010 1:45AM PST

I think Murtha dissed his USMC brothers in Iraq first. But I didn't post this to get political.

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Died during Gall Bladder Surgery???
Feb 8, 2010 2:36PM PST

I know he was past 70, but still. A close friend's mother here was past 80 when her appendix perf'ed (perforated) and she with simmering Bronchiectasis, greatly overweight and with a long standing heart condition. I warned her family that it was a very serious condition and tried to indirectly prepare them for her death. I wasn't alone, so did her surgeon and cardiologist. She died. Nine years later of her heart problem.

Rob

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not during
Feb 9, 2010 1:50AM PST

"The Pennsylvania Democrat had been suffering from complications from gallbladder surgery. He died at Virginia Hospital Center in Arlington, Va., with his family at his bedside, the hospital said."


I believe he died after the surgery, Due to complications, which can happen to anyone after surgery.

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As I understand...
Feb 9, 2010 3:51AM PST

As I understand, his intestines were perforated, and infection set in. When I was about 50, I had a perforation of my intestines and the result was a massive infection. Much later, I talked to a surgeon in the family, and he said that with such an infection, my chances of survival were about 50/50. The treatment to fight the infection was rough on me at my age, so I dare say it was even rougher on someone of his age. In my case they were able to keep my pain level down to a bearable level. Hopefully, in his case they were also able to keep his pain down.

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too many people
Feb 9, 2010 5:14AM PST

think surgery is a walk in the park, when in truth any time they open you up it is major.