Jefferson said ...

Apparently, that's enough. I wouldn't babble here other than what today's troubles would be far easily adjourned if allowed to be redone by this countries founding framers. Not that they had it any easier but the extremes it seems in todays world wouldn't be so prevalent in theirs, they had alot of "common ground". -----Willy 0}

Jefferson's words about Banks can be found in the Congressional Record in his arguments against the proposed Federal Bank. have fun.

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/amlaw/lwac.html

Do note that it specifically points out that "The Annals were not published contemporaneously, but were compiled between 1834 and 1856, using the best records available, primarily newspaper accounts. Speeches are paraphrased rather than presented verbatim, but the record of debate is nonetheless fuller than that available from the House and Senate Journals." To those complaining that certain words in the quotes were not in use recall what paraphrasing is - words may be altered but intent remains.

how convenient

,.

....we heard CBS use about the documents related to Bush's military service, which turned out to be forged.

He may not have said those exact words, but it is very much what he believed as shown by other documents.

What Rather/CBS did was flat out lie about Bush's military service.

..."fake but accurate."

LOL

academic word which doesn't mean to try to contradict it, but rather to understand accurately what was meant).
'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered..'
-- Thomas Jefferson in 1802

So the issue is private banks and separate currencies "their currencies". It was common practice for banks to issue their own individual currencies, and for bank owners to manipulate the money supply (inflation and deflation) for their own purposes (i.e. personal profit at the expense of the bank's customers and anyone holding the bank's currency).

I am not a banking specialist (yes, there are economic historians who specialize like that) and thus don't know the date and details of the standardization of currency, but it is an indication of the suspicion of the centralization of wealth and the power it confers to both individuals and companies of individuals to the detriment of the populace in general. In other words it is exactly in tune with the suspicion of the left over the behaviour of big banks and corporations in general and their feeling that if left to their own devices (i.e. unregulated) they threaten democracy.

Additionally, it demonstrates Jefferson's opposition to a standing army, which has turned out to be less of a threat than he expected although it does eat up a large segment of the budget.

I think it also indicates Jefferson's concern for the individual above the interests of business or the state.

How deep the reconciliation between Jefferson and Adams went is a matter for speculation. Adams reputedly died saying "Thomas Jefferson still lives" though that may be apocryphal. It certainly appears to imply conflict and jealousy.

Before anyone has kittens over this, this is purely a discussion of the quotation devoid of reference to person.

BTW Edward O'Daniel is one of the most knowledgeable people I know outside the history profession on the period around the Revolution, and the details of legislation from that period.

Rob

If you actually linked to the quotation itself rather than the archive that purportedly contains the quote.

Have tried unsuccessfully to track down some of your more obscure quotes on a couple of occasions I have to admit I wonder if you actually know where they are located.

to note that those voting for it are also happiest for the big cities and their inhabitants as well as those who like to take from the earner and give to the non-earner as well as the rest of what Jefferson warns against as those are the people who vote for them? In short the ones who have no idea of the arguments posed during Constitutional Debates and fail to admit that big controlling and all powerful government was precisely what the founders did NOT WANT.

Jefferson and Madison BOTH had insights that today's reps should pay attention to but perhaps GBS said it best - "A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul." --George Bernard Shaw.

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents...." --James Madison speaking of the enumerated powers granted Federal government

"If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions." --James Madison, Letter to Edmund Pendleton, January 21, 1792 (Madison 1865, I, page 546)

"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation and foreign commerce. ... The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives and liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement and prosperity of the State." --James Madison, Federalist No. 45 (This speaks to Constitutional authority, or rather lack of such of, as regards health care, welfare, schools, etc.)

"With respect to the two words 'general welfare,' I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators." --James Madison (This speaks to Constitutional authority, or rather lack of such of, as regards health care, welfare, schools, etc.)

Some of the more modern Democrats even understood and agreed with Jefferson and Madison:

"I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we...have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as a charity." --Davy Crockett (D-TN)

"I cannot find any authority in the Constitution for public charity. [To approve such spending] would be contrary to the letter and the spirit of the Constitution and subversive to the whole theory upon which the Union of these States is founded." -- Democrat President Franklin Pierce

"I feel obliged to withhold my approval of the plan to indulge in benevolent and charitable sentiment through the appropriation of public funds. I find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution." --President Grover Cleveland (1837-190

"I find no warrant for such an appropriation in the Constitution, and I do not believe that the power and the duty of the General Government ought to be extended to the relief of individual suffering which is in no manner properly related to the public service or benefit... The friendliness and charity of our countrymen can always be relied upon to relieve their fellow citizens in misfortune. This has been repeatedly and quite lately demonstrated. Federal aid in such cases encourages the expectation of paternal care on the part of the Government and weakens the sturdiness of our national character, while it prevents the indulgence among our people of that kindly sentiment and conduct which strengthens the bonds of a common brotherhood." -- Democrat President Grover Cleveland

208 years...208 years....

Has 1 party been in power/control for 208 years?

or perhaps it is "human nature" to live beyond our means.

Some of the more modern Democrats even understood and agreed with Jefferson and Madison: I'll bet the rest of the statement is...and all Republicans

One man with courage is a majority.

Thomas Jefferson