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Italian Premier pays surprise Iraq visit

Apr 11, 2004 5:19AM PDT

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
ROME - Premier Silvio Berlusconi paid a surprise visit Saturday to his troops at an Italian military base in southern Iraq, putting his arms around the shoulders of young soldiers, telling jokes, and joining the troops in a cafeteria lunch on Easter eve.

The premier's first visit to the Italian base at Nasiriyah was conducted in secrecy and under tight security, with even the troops unprepared for his morning arrival. Some 2,900 Italian armed forces are based in Nasiriyah, working on reconstruction in the southern Iraqi city.

http://www.diario.com.mx/nota.asp?notaid=77587b7f6ca1268dc0e86667a26263da

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Re:Italian Premier pays surprise Iraq visit
Apr 11, 2004 8:47AM PDT

Hi Rosalie;

That was nice of the Italian Premier to visit his troops in Iraq. I never realized Italy had troops over there till I read your link.

Also just noticed today is "Persian Gulf War Official
Cease Fire" 4/11/91 (What cease fire?)

George

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There must have been one, no? Everything ceases sooner or later. Here
Apr 11, 2004 9:35AM PDT
http://vfw8896.net/military.htm#4

.. is a site with a listing of all Military History Dates, however, it doesn't have any information on them.


I was just reading about a possible connection between cancer and radiation from depleted uranium ammuniton. Here:

http://www.mindfully.org/Nucs/Spain-Check-Soldiers-DU.htm

"MADRID, Spain -- European NATO allies have begun checking whether their soldiers may have been exposed to dangerous levels of radiation from depleted uranium ammunition used by U.S. warplanes in Kosovo last year. Spain said Tuesday that initial tests were proving negative."

However, further on in the article is says:

"Iraq long has blamed an increase in rates of leukemia and other cancers, as well as neurological and muscular diseases, on the use of depleted uranium bombs during the Persian Gulf War. Official statistics show that the number of Iraqi children with cancer rose to 130,000 in 1997 from 32 in 1990."

That's a heck of an increase! If indeed it is true that the radiation from the depleted uranium bombs is at fault then what about all the servicemen and Iraqis that must be breathing in a lot more of this dust than the children did during the Persian Gulf War?
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Re:Well now, I just knew there had to be a site on...
Apr 11, 2004 10:08AM PDT

Military History. Boy, you sure can find them Rosalie. That goes down in my favorites which is getting pretty long. I been picking those dates off my VFW calendar. This ones much better, music and all. Thanks. Happy

Spain orders radiation checks was interesting too.

George Happy

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depleted uranium
Apr 12, 2004 12:06AM PDT
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Maybe we can't be sure if the government knew about 9/11 or not ... but ..
Apr 12, 2004 12:33AM PDT

they sure knew about the dangers of depleted uranium. This is just one of the many articles written well before the war in Iraq was waged. It well may be that many if not most of the servicemen and women that don't get killed in Iraq will slowly die a horrible death as a result of just being there. The Iraqi people may suffer this type death for generations.

Be sure to read at the very end of the article

http://www.prop1.org/2000/du/du.htm

I haven't been able to find any thing about a cure with a quick searach. Anybody know if anything can be done for those contaminated?

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Re:Maybe we can't be sure if the government knew about 9/11 or not ... but ..
Apr 12, 2004 2:58AM PDT

This is very upsetting. I hope there is a cure available. Life is precious in any location.

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Apr 12, 2004 3:03AM PDT

Being the eternal optimist, I even went to see if it was an urban legend and of course it isn't. Bummer

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And yes it was nice of the Italian Premier to visit his troops in Iraq. :-) -nt
Apr 11, 2004 9:36AM PDT

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Re:Re:Italian Premier pays surprise Iraq visit
Apr 12, 2004 12:25AM PDT

I never realized Italy had troops in Iraq.

Hi George,

Isn't that a sad thing due entirely to the media's signing on to the claim that this isn't a *real* coalition simply because it doesn't include France and Germany. Those were also Polish and Ukrainian troops entangling insurgents recently. Proportional to the respective sizes of their military, the contributions of our allies in this coalition is meaningful and substantial. Odd, however, that the same folks hailing Berlusconi's visit seek to find fault when Bush served Thanksgiving turkey to ours Sad

Evie Happy

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Apr 12, 2004 2:24AM PDT

Hi Evie;

Yes, it is sad. It would be nice to see a little more recognition given to the other countries involved in this coalition. But, I suppose, by the Media standards, thats not newsworthy.

George

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Re: Italian Premier pays surprise Iraq visit
Apr 12, 2004 2:58AM PDT

Hi, Evie.

Yes, there are several other countries with troops there -- but at least 80% of the total troops are American or British, a major difference from Gulf War I, when there was a true world-wide consensus.

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Concensus maybe ...
Apr 12, 2004 3:25AM PDT

... but that was also the reason we didn't finish the job back then. Too many deals cut to get the Saudis, etc. on board. France and Germany had everythign to lose and nothing to gain by actually deposing Saddam. What "diplomacy" do you suggest could have brought them on board? Oh, I don't know, perhaps agreeing to NOT investigate those financial interests or their role in the Oil for Food Corruption (guess who is fighting that investigation most stridently now?) in exchange for their cooperation.

Let's compare:

Gulf War I

The Allied coalition consisted of 34 countries, including Afghanistan, Argentina, Australia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Canada, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Egypt, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Honduras, Italy, Kuwait, Morocco, The Netherlands, Niger, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, South Korea, Spain, Syria, Turkey, The United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom and the United States.

The U.S. had more than 500,000 troops in the Persian Gulf War, while the non-U.S. coalition forces equaled roughly 160,000, or 24 percent, of all forces. Here are some details about the forces in the Gulf:

U.S. casualties: 148 battle deaths, 145 nonbattle deaths

Iraq as of March 15

Troop count

AS OF MARCH 15

Countries helping in postwar Iraq and their troop contributions:

United States 130,000

United Kingdom 8,220

Italy 3,000

Poland 2,500

Ukraine 1,650

Netherlands 1,307

Spain 1,300

Australia 850

Romania 500

Thailand 451

Denmark 410

Other 25 coalition countries 3,722

I don't see a huge difference there Dave, if one is really objective. Had France joined, what was to be their deployment? As I recall it wasn't a significant number of boots on the ground, and one Mirage jet. Wow!

Evie Happy