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It's time to TURN OFF THE FAUCET.......

Apr 5, 2004 1:41PM PDT

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Re: It's time to TURN OFF THE FAUCET.......
Apr 5, 2004 2:16PM PDT

Hi, Del.

There were reports over the weekend (before Sunday's armed rebellions) that we may have mishandled this guy. He's the one whose newspaper we shuttered, and action I didn't question at the time. But the reports (no link -- weekend TV reports rarely seem to make it to the corresponding web sites Sad ) that he'd been losing support until that incident, and then became the symbol for the radical Shiites after we closed his paper. Careful watching might have been a better approach, but this is clearly 20-20 hindsight.

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Re:It's time to TURN OFF THE FAUCET.......
Apr 5, 2004 2:23PM PDT

That boy needs a bullet in the turban.

If that chicken shiite hides in a mosque and uses it as a military installation, it becomes just another thing to blow up, and that's the way it should be with every mosque used in subversive ways. Kaboom.

DE

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You basically say that...
Apr 5, 2004 7:09PM PDT

It is OK to blow up any holy places; Churches, Synagogues, Mosques, Temples... Do you think it is ok to do so?

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No, he basically says that...
Apr 5, 2004 8:10PM PDT

If that chicken shiite hides in a mosque and uses it as a military installation, it becomes just another thing to blow upand that's the way it should be with every mosque used in subversive ways. Kaboom.

That is basically quite different from the words you are putting in his mouth, is it?

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Re:No, he basically says that...
Apr 8, 2004 1:16PM PDT

Thanks Andrea, but they'll never get it...

DE

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Re: No, he basically says that...
Apr 9, 2004 12:47AM PDT

Hi, DE.

And you don't get that the action you propose might win a battle, but start a war that we REALLY don't want -- the war between Islam and Christianity that Al Qaeda and its allies are trying to foment. Whether we won or lost, such a war would simply be catastrophic.

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Re:Re: No, he basically says that...
Apr 9, 2004 2:45AM PDT

"..... but start a war that we REALLY don't want....."

It seems to me the attacks (93 and 01)on the WTC
and in Wash DC, as well as others outside the US,
STARTED that war some time ago.

It's time now to pursue and prevail, by whatever means.

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Re: No, he basically says that...
Apr 9, 2004 7:43PM PDT

I understand this very well. I also understand that we did not start this war. And that we'll win it, despite the Tokyo Rose attitudes I see displayed here every steenkin' day.

Understand this: a war is a series of battles. If you give the enemy a safe place from which they are free to attack us with impunity because of a chickensh!t attitude that says responding to a gunfight from a mosque used as a military installation might cause another greater gunfight because we risk offending some cultural sensitivity, we lose. The very thought is evidence of leftist mad cow disease. And if we act in such a wimpy way, we're wimps that deserve to lose. But we're not and we won't.

It would be to the left's advantage to join the American side for once, because there's absolutely NO WAY the left could flourish without the strength of Americans. Do you think you can find a "progressive" neighborhood in any of the Muslim countries that would tolerate the Tokyo Rose attitude of the left that is grudgingly tolerated here? That attitude has cost millions of lives in world wars and the left is doing its best to cost us many more. And most disgustingly, this time it's for nothing more than attempted political gain. Shame on the leftists, and enough! It's time to be an American or step aside and shut up.

DE

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Since you seem to be such a good American...
Apr 9, 2004 9:26PM PDT

why don't you volunteer and go to Iraq and fight for that Bald Eagle? And if you're too old, you may have sons or daughters that you could send over to fight...

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Re:You basically say that...
Apr 5, 2004 10:07PM PDT

Places from which bullets fly and used to house terrorists and munitions are not holy places, there are targets...

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KILL THEM ALL
Apr 5, 2004 10:26PM PDT

each and every one of them. In Iraq,Iran,Saudi,Jordan,Uzbek,Afganistan,and dont forget 7/11!

Nothing else will stop this so why not just nuke em all Pakistan included. And when the bodies stop stinking hunt down any survivors. It is obvious that partial measures arent going to work. Didnt work for the Germans in the forties when they faced the freedom fighters (terrorists by their standards),hasnt worked for the last 50 years for Israel. The slaughter must be
complete and stop when only babes in arms remain. Then as merciful conquerers make sure the mothers are killed so they cant use their children as weapons.

Then send in hordes of our own religionists and teach
those which remain the quality of mercy!

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Scary. That actually sounds like some SE members. :-(
Apr 5, 2004 11:36PM PDT

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(NT) Scary ... no sad and disgusting ... that you think so :(
Apr 9, 2004 1:11AM PDT

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Some thoughts...
Apr 6, 2004 1:36AM PDT

Though we are not naive enough to think that some innocent civilians died as a result of the actions of the underground groups in occupied Europe, their targets were of a military nature - roads, trains, convoys, etc. They sheltered and helped countless allies escape to safety.

I don't recall the Nazis spending much time "arresting" (which implies holding in jail) members of the underground - they just shot them on the spot.

We all know that the seeds were sown several decades ago. Radical militants were active long before this war. Remember the TWA hijacking? (They shot a US military member and threw his body on the tarmac.) The bombing of the plane over Lockerbie? The murder of a Jewish passenger on a cruise ship? Bombing of restaurants and clubs frequented by Americans in Europe? The first WTC bombing,?

A charismatic person can appeal to harbored hate, and gather a rabid following with ease, as has happened through world history. Probably always will.

Ayatollah Khomeini did not execute the American captives. Why, I don't know. But this Iraqi cleric is calling for death.

The influence of the clerics seems absolute, so as long as they preach death to Westerners , and the indoctrination goes on in their schools, the turmoil will continue. IMO, the clerics could go a long way to foster stability in Iraq. But I believe this guy is motivated mostly by his own political ambitions.

Angeline
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Re:and one more to dwell on
Apr 9, 2004 9:42PM PDT
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It's time?
Apr 6, 2004 1:15AM PDT

It's long past time. Our conquest of Iraq has been pretty much a cluster FiretrUCK since very early on. We allowed a pervasive atmosphere of lawlessness to prevail. We never sealed the boarders. The list goes on and on.

It's long past time.

Dan