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Let's use it up now, and leave none for the kids !
I am amazed by the people who want to celebrate and encourage conspicuous consumption when it comes to energy.
" We can't run out... there's an endless supply... It's just scare tactics meant to manipulate us... "
If it was endless, then gasoline wouldn't cost as much as it does. If it was easily harnessed, then every mud hut in Asia and Africa would have a microwave. If energy production did no harm, then there would be no radioactive seas off the coast of Japan and there would be no smog covering all the major cities of the planet.
There ya go Mike. Is that what you wanted to hear?
I wish our ancestors had saved
some of that whale oil for us.
well, you can probably get radioactive porpoise oil cheap !
They did save plenty for us
But we don't need it.
I've never really understood the dim idea of saving resources for future generations. If that made sense, the next generation would save it for their next. Silly and ridiculous !!
we could save for the next generation and then wonder why we did it when they start using some other source of energy while what we could have used just sits in the ground.
Use it "just because it's there"
Spend it "because the credit is there"
Eat it..."because you can"
A planet of excesses.
It always raises a red flag...
For me, it always raises a red flag when somebody raises kids in the future. I think that in many cases that is done to implant something that is impossible to defend, harming children. You see it all the time. Cutting back something would take food from the mouths of children, overturning a new health care plan would take coverage from children, and so forth. Did you notice that when the Health Care bill was signed, there was a kid standing next to the President? That kid was put there by design.
That said, let's look at the thing being discussed in this thread, Earth Hour. Lighting is responsible for 8.8 percent of U.S. household electricity use. But the greatest share of household electricity use was for central air-conditioning at just over 15 percent of household use.
When I was growing up, household central-air conditioning was extremely rare, yet people got along just fine without it. Now, it is common. So, using the "for the future sake of kids" argument, wouldn't it be much more meaningful to give up central air-conditioning?
Yet, they never advocate
just a children's national health care plan, do they?
Not what I wanted to hear
Then it is what you wanted to hear
You went phishing and caught what you expected. I'm glad I could brighten your day.
Refrigerated air conditioning
is also pretty cool. Sociologists say it has saved billions over the last century, what with more productive workers in the heat areas. Also brings out-of-season foods via rail. (The conditioners on reefer cars don't work off the grid, but indirectly from the diesel fuel driving the trains; no free lunch.)
Just an observation. No perfect solution to any problem, including progress.
Refrigerated railroad cars...
Refrigerated railroad cars were a great idea, but the first ones using diesel powered refrigeration units went into service in 1958.
Right. Before that they ran mostly off
a hookup to the cars' trucks. The motive power still came out of whatever the trains used for fuel: coal or oil. Still an environmental factor, but people eat better. They also made CA and TX the ag powerhouses they are today.
The fist ones...
The first ones used on board gasoline-powered engines, but that quickly developed to using electricity created by the engine's alternator.
Didn't know that. Thanks for the details.
BTW gasoline more polluting- grim and I win!!!!!!
Funny thing, dr...
In a way, it's funny, dr, I worked in an airplane and flew in them in other work, yet for some reason got interested in trains when just messing around on my own time.
wild wild west
LOL, made me think of that show where Robert Conrad and Martin Ross went around the west as secret service agents on a private train. I bought the whole series for my wife's birthday to distract her from RTV for awhile. Wouldn't it have been fun to ride the trains all the way from East to West back then when the country was young? When you considered the other ways of crossing the country, by rail was probably the best.
Stop by: We got trains!
Belen is the Belen Cutoff to RR folks. RR execs in the traditional areas like Chicago and NY know of us; key point in western RR history.
Most other Americans think we're a small town in S America, perhaps.
OTOH The child labor part took more
legislation than electricity.
The looms and other equipment were water- or steam-powered; switching to electric motors didn't take the kids out of the plants.
Of course, dr...
Of course, dr, considering that the thread conversation mentioned things like electric lighting and central-air conditioning in the home, some kids still are heard to gripe about child labor in the home (grin - I just couldn't resist that one).
Kids DO work in the home? Amazing? :-)
Nah, urban legend
Maybe a legend in urbans
but still happens (if less than "the good old days") in rural homes.
Very good point. I've said before- maybe here-
that my best kids in school are the farm and ranch kids. One reason: You mess up on the farm the way city kids do in class and the cow dies!