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LOL
Apr 23, 2007 1:12PM PDT
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I have been using them in some places...
Apr 23, 2007 9:41PM PDT

mostly because they supposedly will lower the electric bill and last a long time. Also, they don't get as hot which is good for some of our lights that are on for long periods.

But the proponents of the fluorescents have not adequately addressed the recycling issues. Forcing people by law to use them is just stupid.

This, in general is one of my major problems with the enviros...they want to impose their values by force, regardless of possible unintended consequences.

I expect the stores in New Hampshire that deal in cheap cigs, booze and fireworks for out of staters will now be stocking up on incandescent bulbs, We get lots of visitors from up north, eh.

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I use fluorescents ...
Apr 23, 2007 10:41PM PDT

In fact, almost all of the interior lights in my house are compact fluorescents or the old long tube fluorescents.

Still, there are things that fluorescents can't do. The lights in the garage door openers still need to be incandescent, similarly the lights in the refrigerator and the range hood. Also, the lights in the 'chandelier' in the entry and dining room are the little decorative incandescents. I've never seen a compact fluorescent that would work in that kind of fixture. Also, although there are fluorescents that claim to be dimmable they don't work well.

Those issues aside, I've always wondered whether the fluorescents end up saving that much money and whether they are overall much better for the environment. The bulbs do last a long time, and they use less electricity, but they have more toxic ingredients and they cost a lot more to manufacture.

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try using a flourescent in an....
Apr 26, 2007 7:46AM PDT

....incubator. My cat also likes the clip on reflector backed light we put up with a 75W about 16 inches off the floor. She lies under it and warms herself up in the winter. The clip on reflectors, look like a silver bowl with a light in the middle are in most hardware stores. It make no sense to remove incandescent bulbs in cooler climates since you benefit both from the light and the heat. That's one thing that makes it seem so funny for Canadians to be giving up incandesants indoors. I can see using the flourescent outdoors. What's saved in power to incandescents will just be used elsewhere to supply the heat they no longer do inside when the weather is cool to cold. In fact, before we put compact flourescents in the living room, I'd often hold my hands over the lamp to warm them after coming in from outdoors. It only makes sense to remove incandescents where you don't desire the higher heat output, such as warmer climates and outdoors where it's wasted. Canada would do better to just ban incandescents in outdoor fixtures and let their citizens decide what to do with them indoors.

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It may be more complex than that ...
Apr 26, 2007 9:57AM PDT

The question of heat from incandescent bulbs becomes quite complex because the overall outcome depends on heating efficiency.

In my case, since we use a heat pump for interior heat, the loss of heat generation during the winter saves overall energy because, although the heat pump has to work a bit harder, heat pumps generate more heat per kWH of electricity than resistance heaters (like an incandescent bulb) generate. Then too, during the hot summer, the compact fluorescents significantly reduce indoor heat generation which is a good thing.

Further North, where heat pumps do not work, the trade off is electrical resistance heat from the incandescent bulb vs heat from electrical resistance furnaces (not much difference except a slight change in the load on the blower) in some homes, but in other homes the heat source might be natural gas, oil, or maybe coal? That becomes a harder comparison because the energy source is different.

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yes, the heat pumps....
Apr 26, 2007 9:59PM PDT

... up here are remarkably bad during damp winter weather. To make heat in the house their outside coils are well below the freezing point and if there's fog or higher humidity, it just freezes all over the coils. Our neighbor had high electric bills because of it, so I fixed his switch so he could run just the 4 large backup resistance coils for heat at times. His electric bill went back down. When the heat pump iced up outside it was just running and producing no heat, just consuming power. He ended up only using it when the humidity was low, after it had gotten past that intermediate stage in fall and early spring.

I use oil in a high efficiency burner hooked to CAC in my house. I think heat pumps in colder climates might be more feasible if they were hooked into buried coils which took advantage of the natural warmth a few feet below the earth surface. I'm not sure the cost of such installation would pay for itself, but might if a small bobcat trench digger was used to lay some straight line in a few trenches between the back of a house and the rear property line, maybe corner to corner to give longer lines. Downside might be moisture in ground freezing, there'd be worse corrosive forces at work on the metal, and any leaks in the line wouldn't be easily found or repaired. there are some people who have setups like that. Maybe I can find one on the internet and link to it later.

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CFs will improve but something
Apr 23, 2007 11:22PM PDT

else will eventually prove to be more energy efficient. LEDs are now but there are trade offs. Never mentioned about CFs is the actual cost (in energy) of manufacturing them vs incandescents. One cannot equate $$$ with the full cost of energy. The picture is much bigger. CFs will be lasting longer but will eventually begin to collect in landfills in great numbers. They contain mercury. We gain energy savings now but only delay the cost of clean up. CF savings is mostly in the form of efficiency by converting more energy to light and less to heat. But, in northern areas in winter, the heat from incandescents helps the furnace keep a home comfortable....less strain on the furnace components and electric/gas use as well. These are small items never mentioned and hard to put onto a spreadsheet to compute the actual cost of using one bulb vs another.

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Compact flourescents are about all I use now
Apr 25, 2007 7:57AM PDT

although I tried several before I found a couple brands I liked ok for the ones equilvalent to 60 watt.

I was buying Sylvania only for a while, but lately tried "no brand" ones from Lowes near here that seem as good. And I choose them for the bright white color. Others seemed too dim for their ratings.

I do have glass covers over most of the fixtures that spreads and mutes them a bit, but not all of them.

I only use incadescents now where I have dimmers.

Roger

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Yellowing helps
Apr 26, 2007 7:55AM PDT

Helps to have some yellow or brown tint in whatever covers the bulb. Here's a picture I've shown before during discussion about CF's,.
http://glenburniemd.net/Lamps.jpg