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_Island of Hope, Island of Tears_

Brownstone, Franck, Brownstone.
Metro Books, 2002
ISBN10: 1-58663-578-6

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nothing to see here

move along....exit right...

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Island. Start with some light stuff.

Ca. 1840-1930.
Knute Rockne. Rudolph Valentino. David Sarnoff. Igor Sikorsky. Andre Kostelanetz. Louise Nevelson. Sol Hurok. Isaac Asimov. William Knudsen. Mother Cabrini.

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The title of "Citizen Arcane" has now

passed from Dennis Miller to you, good sir.

Look it up if you like, or need to. Anyway, I always knew you were/are erudite, but only now (?) do we have here in SE demonstrable, weapons-grade proof.

That's a compliment, so go get a gold star and don't forget where it came from, ya wise-acre!

Rick " half-way edu-ma-cated " Jones

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Well ... I copied a list from a book ...

From the OP book, a list of those who were 'famous Americans' but not initially American. You know, immigrants.
Surprises to follow.

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I got it. Citizen Kane; "arcane" def.

Nice segue; doesn't apply to me.

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FWIW, Hurok was credited with easing

some of the Cold War tensions- the ones that could have led to kaboom!
He got Russian artists in dance and music performing here. Had connections in both countries.
Maybe he saved our lives.

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I would hazard he did -

but then I'm biased as I'm at least a 1/4 Russian myself. Once considered changing my last name to my Mom's - she was honored but mentioned from then on I'd have to spell it out for literally everyone, including native Russians and Poles also. I still wanted to go for it but inertia set in and I never did. Now at my age it would be sort of irrelevant and confusing both to my v. few friends _and_ myself. I suppose I could hyphenate it but then in effect I'd be marrying myself - kinda-sorta : which is super creepy. So, I'm just another "secret agent" child of a child of an immigrant family...

Rick " too many consonants annnd vowels ! " Jones

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Had a mate in the Navy.

Name of Chernobieff, as a I recall; Joseph, let's say. Nice guy. Very low key. I think his nickname came to be Cherry.
One day I broke down and asked him directly how to pronounce his name.

He said, "Joseph." Grin

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that's rich. Does anyone say that anymore? Seems like in old movies it was used more than nowadays.

A high school friend's middle name was Marmaduke - he preferred "Duke" for obvious reasons - though I mentioned once he looked nothing like John Wayne... other than being tall. Ha!


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Island. P. 163, Hans Bergner, 1924.

"Third-class passengers had to come to Ellis Island, and none of us knew exactly what this would mean ... First of all, the immigration officials would make sure we knew where we were going ... There had to be some proof shown that [a sponsor] was going to pick us up or that we had some [definite] destination ...
"The other thing they wanted to know was whether we had $25 ..."
P. 170, Irma Busch, 1925. "I traveled third class, and I remember it cost $75, which I had to pay back to my uncle, and he had to give me $25 more to hold. I had to show that I had some money, that I would not become a public charge."

[Author, p. 192. "For immigrants still in the old country, that $25, for each of perhaps six members of a family, meant a dollar a week saved for 150 weeks ..."]

I knew of this many years ago, and orig. pub date of this book was 1979. Could these cases have been used as precedent for today? Only if Trump or any of his 'wonderful appointees' knew of them.

There are many more surprises. Stay tuned.

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My mother's folks told her

of similar - they arrived around 1909 if I'm not mistaken. And were far from well-off in 'the old country' but scrimped and saved knowing it would take a stake to get started whether working their old careers or new, many unknowns but paradoxically that in a way had more promise/opportunity than if all was "laid out" and for certain.


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From personal experience:

The Mexicans will work, too.

So will the "lazy, drunken Irish". A farmer named John Ford came into the US via Canada in the 1840s famine business. His son farmed, too, in southern Michigan. His grandson preferred to tinker; had some talent that way.
Built a car.

John Ford's land is still there. Now it's the family graveyard, a big church that I attended- under a previous administration- and some smaller buildings.

Some stuff on names coming up.

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