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Islamic Blackmail Continues

A group calling itself the Islamic Army in Iraq seized Christian Chesnot of Radio France Internationale and Georges Malbrunot of the daily Le Figaro and RTL radio on Aug. 20. France opposed last year's U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

On Saturday, the kidnappers released videotape of the two men and gave France 48 hours to repeal the law. The scarf ban is ``an attack on the Islamic religion and individual freedoms,'' they said in the tape aired by Al-Jazeera television.

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There you have it. Write the law the way we want it or else. They're not asking France to reconsider, they're ordering France to obey. Of course it's a tactic they've learned is an effective one in Spain and the Philippines.

I am reminded of a quote often attributed to Benjamin Franklin, "Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." What will your candidate do, give up Liberty through appeasement or hold true to that Liberty which our forefathers fought for?

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Hi Clay,
France is learning the hard way that appeasement is very short lived.
They should now consider the wisdom of their ways in not joining our war against terrorism.

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(NT) (NT) steve france wont ever learn

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France will never learn that lesson. They tried appeasement in the last world war and found out that the appeased see it as a sign of weakness, so press their tyranny harder.

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and what do you think the French will do?

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Will they finally have the backbone to fight, or will they knuckle under?

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Re: and what do you think the French will do?

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if they do there usual they will cave in

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Re: and what do you think the French will do?

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Hi, Mark.

So far, they're holding firm: Hostages plead: Lift headscarf ban.
>> earlier Monday, a government spokesman said France would not give in to calls to stay the ban on headscarves. "The law will be applied," spokesman Jean-Francois Cope told Canal Plus television Monday.<<

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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Re: and what do you think the French will do?

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Actually I think the French problem is here they made too much of it to begin with, though I'll not claim research or expertise on why.

Now that they have, to change would be giving in too much. So they're kind of stuck between encouraging terrorists to control them and opening a reasonable dialogue on the subject.

RogerNC

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(NT) (NT) well dave this is a 1st but time will tell

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Re: if history is any indication

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they will learn Arabic, bend over backwards not to offend their "new allies" and like Marlon Brandon, they will complain about the price of butter in Paris...


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I kind of thought they might bend over forward.

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Devil
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Re: I kind of thought they might bend over forward.

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And complain about the price of butter in Paris?

DE

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Re: butter in Paris

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marlon brando.... last tango in paris....

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Re: Islamic Blackmail Continues

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Hi, Clay.

>>"Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." What will your candidate do, give up Liberty through appeasement or hold true to that Liberty which our forefathers fought for?<<
That quote describes much of the Patriot Act and Bushcroft's domestic policy to a T... The terrorists have already won, because Bushcroft are dismantling our freedoms as fast as they can.

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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Freedom to do what Dave

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I saw thousands of demonstrators marching through New York last night on TV, what in hells name do you call that if it's not freedom.
And don't tell me that all those people were asked to turn left at the no entry sign Wink

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There is quite a bit of the Patriot Act I don't support. I think it is also lacking in that it doesn't provide for profiling or other realistic measures to deal with threats our forefathers did not allow for in the Constitution. I am against the appeasement demonstrated by Spain and the Philippines and could not support a candidate here that may follow the same path.

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mine is kicking *** dave and yours well waffle man has shown his true colors yellow in my eyes

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Those peaceful muslims...

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I think we should all implement a 1000-1 policy. Yesterday. Subhuman terrorists, virtually all of which are these peaceful muslims, can't be reasoned with. It's a waste of time to try, and giving them the benefit of the doubt works to their advantage because those of this crowd aren't constrained by anything remotely resembling honesty or decency or honor or any other of those quaint Christian values. I believe this has been well established.

But everybody understands 1000-1, and if not surely they'd understand a 10,000-1 policy, or..... bump it up until it's understood.

DE

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Do we HAVE to kill all these people? Can't we ...

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just leave them alone? Why the heck did we bother them in the first place???

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I don't normally respond, but SHEESH!

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> Why the heck did we bother them in the first place???

[emphasis, and astonishment, mine]

HUH???

DE

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Re: I don't normally respond, but SHEESH!

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i to was huh? but ill let you speak for me to

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Unless you're frozen in space, chances are, sooner or

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later, you're going to bump into someone. If they want to take offense, they will and there's nothing you can do about it. In this case, we offend them merely be being present. Perhaps if we returned to the dark ages, they would be satisfied. Perhaps, but I doubt it. Until we convert to Islam, we'll be a target.

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Ripping Iraq into shreds wasn't a bump.

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Ripping Iraq into shreds wasn't a bump.

It's not about the Iraqi invasion. See here...

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It's not?

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Ansar al-Sunna, one of several militant groups to emerge following the ouster of Saddam Hussein, said it had kidnapped the Nepalis because they were cooperating with U.S. troops.

Scores of nationals from more than two dozen countries have been kidnapped since April, when guerrillas embarked on new tactics to force foreign troops and firms to leave Iraq.

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Maybe this will help.

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Please try to tell us how these are the result of invading Iraq:

September 5, 1972: Eight Palestinian terrorists seized 11 Israeli athletes in the Olympic Village in Munich, West Germany. During rescue attempt by West German authorities nine of the hostages and five of the terrorists were killed.

June 27, 1976: Members of the Baader-Meinhof Group and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) seized an Air France airliner and its 258 passengers.

November 4, 1979: Iranian radicals seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran and took 66 American diplomats hostage. Thirteen hostages were soon released, but the remaining 53 were held until their release on January 20, 1981.

November 20, 1979: 200 Islamic terrorists seized the Grand Mosque in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, taking hundreds of pilgrims hostage. Saudi and French security forces retook the shrine after an intense battle in which some 250 people were killed and 600 wounded.

October 6, 1981: Soldiers who were secretly members of the Takfir Wal-Hajira sect attacked and killed Egyptian President Anwar Sadat during a troop review.

September 14, 1982: Premier Bashir Gemayel, the Lebanese Prime Minister, was assassinated by a car bomb parked outside his party's Beirut headquarters.

April 18, 1983: Sixty-three people, including the CIA's Middle East director, were killed, and 120 were injured in a 400-pound suicide truck-bomb attack on the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, Lebanon. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

October 23, 1983: Simultaneous truck-bomb attacks were made on American and French compounds in Beirut, Lebanon. A 12,000-pound bomb destroyed the U.S. Marine barracks, killing 242 Americans, while 58 French troops were killed when a 400-pound device destroyed a French base. Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.

March 16, 1984: The Islamic Jihad kidnapped and later murdered Political Officer William Buckley in Beirut, Lebanon. Other U.S. citizens not connected to the U.S. Government were seized over a succeeding 2-year period.

April 12, 1984: Eighteen U.S. servicemen were killed, and 83 people were injured in a bomb attack on a restaurant near a U.S. Air Force Base in Torrejon, Spain. Responsibility was claimed by Hizballah.

September 20, 1984: United States embassy in the Lebanese capital, Beirut is truck bombed by a member of the extremist group, the Islamic Jihad.

December 4, 1984: Kuwaiti airliner seized en route to Pakistan and forced to land in Tehran. During the siege, two American passengers were killed by the hijackers.

June 14, 1985: A Trans-World Airlines flight was hijacked en route to Rome from Athens by two Lebanese Hizballah terrorists and forced to fly to Beirut. The eight crew members and 145 passengers were held for 17 days, during which one American hostage, a U.S. Navy sailor, was murdered.

October 7, 1985: Four Palestinian Liberation Front terrorists seized the Italian cruise liner Achille Lauro in the eastern Mediterranean Sea, taking more than 700 hostages. One U.S. passenger was murdered.

November 23, 1985: An EgyptAir airplane bound from Athens to Malta and carrying several U.S. citizens was hijacked by the Abu Nidal Group.

March 30, 1986: A Palestinian splinter group detonated a bomb as TWA Flight 840 approached Athens Airport, killing four U.S. citizens.

April 5, 1986: Two U.S. soldiers were killed, and 79 American servicemen were injured in a Libyan bomb attack on a discoteque in West Berlin, West Germany.

February 17, 1988: U.S. Marine Corps Lt. Col. W. Higgins was kidnapped and murdered by the Iranian-backed Hizballah group while serving with the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization (UNTSO) in southern Lebanon.

April 14, 1988: The Organization of Jihad Brigades exploded a car bomb outside a USO Club in Naples, Italy, killing one U.S. sailor.

December 21, 1988: Pan American Airlines Flight 103 was blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, by a bomb placed on the aircraft in Frankfurt, West Germany, by Libyan terrorists. All 259 people on board were killed.

January 18-19, 1991: Iraqi agents planted bombs at the U.S. Ambassador to Indonesia's home residence and at the USIS library in Manila.

March 17, 1992: Hizballah claimed responsibility for a blast that leveled the Israeli Embassy in Buenos Aires, Argentina, causing the deaths of 29 and wounding 242.

February 26, 1993: The World Trade Center in New York City was badly damaged when a car bomb planted by Islamic terrorists explodes in an underground garage. The bomb left six people dead and 1,000 injured.

April 14, 1993: The Iraqi intelligence service attempted to assassinate former U.S. President George Bush during a visit to Kuwait.

December 24, 1994: Members of the Armed Islamic Group seized an Air France Flight to Algeria. The four terrorists were killed during a rescue effort.

March 8, 1995: Two unidentified gunmen killed two U.S. diplomats and wounded a third in Karachi, Pakistan.

July 4, 1995: In India, six foreigners, including two U.S. citizens, were taken hostage by Al-Faran, a Kashmiri separatist group. One non-U.S. hostage was later found beheaded.

August 21, 1995: Hamas claimed responsibility for the detonation of a bomb that killed six and injured over 100 persons, including several U.S. citizens in a Jerusalem bus attack

November 13, 1995: The Islamic Movement of Change planted a bomb in a Riyadh military compound that killed one U.S. citizen, several foreign national employees of the U.S. Government, and more than 40 others.

February 26, 1996: In Jerusalem, a Hamas suicide bomber blew up a bus, killing 26 persons, including three U.S. citizens, and injuring some 80 persons, including three other US citizens.

March 4, 1996: Hamas and the Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ) both claimed responsibility for a bombing outside of Tel Aviv's largest shopping mall, the Dizengoff Center, that killed 20 persons and injured 75 others, including two U.S. citizens.

May 13, 1996: Arab gunmen opened fire on a bus and a group of Yeshiva students near the Bet El settlement in the West Bank, killing a dual U.S.-Israeli citizen and wounding three Israelis.

June 9, 1996: Unidentified gunmen opened fire on a car near Zekharya, killing a dual U.S./Israeli citizen and an Israeli. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) is suspected.

June 25, 1996: A fuel truck carrying a bomb exploded outside the U.S. military's Khobar Towers housing facility in Dhahran, killing 19 U.S. military personnel and wounding 515 persons, including 240 U.S. personnel.

August 1, 1996: A bomb exploded at the home of the French Archbishop of Oran, killing him and his chauffeur. The Algerian Armed Islamic Group (GIA) is suspected.

August 17, 1996: Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA) rebels kidnapped six missionaries in Mapourdit, including a U.S. citizen, an Italian, three Australians, and a Sudanese. The SPLA released the hostages 11 days later.

December 3, 1996: A bomb exploded aboard a Paris subway train as it arrived at the Port Royal station, killing two French nationals, a Moroccan, and a Canadian, and injuring 86 persons. Among those injured were one U.S. citizen and a Canadian.

January 2-13, 1997: A series of letter bombs with Alexandria, Egypt, postmarks were discovered at Al-Hayat newspaper bureaus in Washington, New York City, London, and Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Three similar devices, also postmarked in Egypt, were found at a prison facility in Leavenworth, Kansas. Bomb disposal experts defused all the devices, but one detonated at the Al-Hayat office in London, injuring two security guards and causing minor damage.

February 23, 1997: A Palestinian gunman opened fire on tourists at an observation deck atop the Empire State Building in New York City, killing a Danish national and wounding visitors from the United States, Argentina, Switzerland, and France before turning the gun on himself. A handwritten note carried by the gunman claimed this was a punishment attack against the "enemies of Palestine."

September 4, 1997: Three suicide bombers of Hamas detonated bombs in the Ben Yehuda shopping mall in Jerusalem, killing eight persons, including the bombers, and wounding nearly 200 others. A dual U.S./Israeli citizen was among the dead, and seven U.S. citizens were wounded.

October 30, 1997: Al-Sha'if tribesmen kidnapped a U.S. businessman near Sanaa, Yemen. They released the hostage on November 27.

November 12, 1997: Two unidentified gunmen shot to death four U.S. auditors from Union Texas Petroleum Corporation and their Pakistani driver after they drove away from the Sheraton Hotel in Karachi. The Islami Inqilabi Council, or Islamic Revolutionary Council, claimed responsibility in a call to the U.S. Consulate in Karachi. In a letter to Pakistani newspapers, the Aimal Khufia Action Committee also claimed responsibility.

November 17, 1997: Al-Gama'at al-Islamiyya (IG) gunmen shot and killed 58 tourists and four Egyptians and wounded 26 others at the Hatshepsut Temple in the Valley of the Kings near Luxor, Egypt. Thirty-four Swiss, eight Japanese, five Germans, four Britons, one French, one Colombian, a dual Bulgarian/British citizen, and four unidentified persons were among the dead. Twelve Swiss, two Japanese, two Germans, one French, and nine Egyptians were among the wounded.

April 15, 1998: Somali militiamen abducted nine Red Cross and Red Crescent workers at an airstrip north of Mogadishu, Somal. The hostages included a U.S. citizen, a German, a Belgian, a French, a Norwegian, two Swiss, and one Somali. The gunmen were members of a subclan loyal to Ali Mahdi Mohammed, who controlled the northern section of the capital.

August 7, 1998: A bomb exploded at the rear entrance of the U.S. embassy in Nairobi, Kenya, killing 12 U.S. citizens, 32 Foreign Service Nationals (FSNs), and 247 Kenyan citizens. About 5,000 Kenyans, six U.S. citizens, and 13 FSNs were injured. Almost simultaneously, a bomb detonated outside the U.S. embassy in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, killing seven FSNs and three Tanzanian citizens, and injuring one U.S. citizen and 76 Tanzanians. The U.S. Government held Usama Bin Ladin responsible.

October 12, 2000: In Aden, Yemen, a small dingy carrying explosives rammed the destroyer U.S.S. Cole, killing 17 sailors and injuring 39 others. Supporters of Usama Bin Ladin were suspected.

December 30, 2000: A bomb exploded in a plaza across the street from the U.S. embassy in Manila, injuring nine persons. The Moro Islamic Liberation Front was likely responsible.

April 22, 2001: A member of Hamas detonated a bomb he was carrying near a bus stop in Kfar Sava, Israel, killing one person and injuring 60.

June 1, 2001: Hamas claimed responsibility for the bombing of a popular Israeli nightclub in Tel-Aviv that caused over 140 casualties.

August 9, 2001: A Hamas-planted bomb detonated in a Jeruselum pizza restaurant, killing 15 people and wounding more than 90.

September 11, 2001: Two hijacked airliners crashed into the twin towers of the World Trade Center. Soon thereafter, the Pentagon was struck by a third hijacked plane. A fourth hijacked plane, suspected to be bound for a high-profile target in Washington, crashed into a field in southern Pennsylvania. More than 5,000 U.S. citizens and other nationals were killed as a result of these acts.

April 11, 2002: Explosion at historic synagogue in Tunisia leaves 21 dead, including 14 German tourists.

May 9, 2002: Eleven French nationals and three Pakistanis died when an explosion ripped through a bus outside an upscale Karachi hotel in Pakistan.

June 14, 2002: Bomb explodes outside American Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12.

October 12, 2002: Nightclub bombings in Bali, Indonesia, kill 202, mostly Australian citizens.

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(NT) (NT) Of course not, some people just like to.

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(NT) (NT) Did you forget Saddam?????

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Update

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Iraqi militants demand $5m to free French reporters

LONDON The Iraqi Islamic militant group holding two French journalists hostage has demanded a $5m (�2.8m) ransom for their release, to be paid within 48 hours, as well as a set of hard-to-meet demands...

As well as setting the ransom, the kidnappers called for a truce with Al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden and demanded a promise of no military and commercial dealings with Iraq. The demands appeared to be directed at France, which has been surprised by the hostage takings because it has played no military part in the war in Iraq or Afghanistan.


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It seems pretty obvious since they want no military or commercial dealings with Iraq that these terrorists don't want anyone rebuilding Iraq. Why? Because they want control. This is another example of what they want and what they will do to get it. Now is not the time to let up on the war on terror or to try and fight some "more sensitive" war on terror. Now is the time to ratchet up the war on terror.

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