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ISIS killing Christian children.

Sep 25, 2014 4:51AM PDT

Received this today;
That "other peaceful" religion at work again.

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/prayer/seanmalone.asp

http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/isis.asp
warning on this one, graphic picture of beheaded little girl. Brought tears and anger to me instantly, being he father of 3. Those who do this are no longer human, but "brute beast" as the bible labels them and says they are marked for slaughter themselves. Also remember the words of Jesus;

"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

the letter;

Dear All,
I have received these two emails from our missionary friends, one yesterday and one this morning. I just wanted to pass it on so that as many people as possible can pray specifically for our brothers and sisters. Much love and blessings
This is so sad... A friend just got a text message from her brother asking her to shower him and his parish in prayer. He is part of a mission and ISIS has taken over the town they are in today. He said ISIS is systematically going house to house to all the Christians and asking the children to denounce Jesus. He said so far not one child has. And so far all have consequently been killed. But not the parents. The UN has withdrawn and the missionaries are on their own. They are determined to stick it out for the sake of the families - even if it means their own deaths. He is very afraid, has no idea how to even begin ministering to these families who have seen their children martyred. Yet he says he knows God has called him for some reason to be his voice and hands at this place at this time. Even so, he is begging prayers for his courage to live out his vocation in such dire circumstances. And like the children accept martyrdom if he is called to do so. She asked me to ask everyone we know to please pray for them. These brave parents instilled such a fervent faith in their children that they chose martyrdom. Please surround them in their loss with your prayers for hope and perseverance.
She was able to talk to her brother briefly by phone. She didn't say it but I believe she believes it will be their last conversation. Pray for her too. She said he just kept asking her to help him know what to do and do it. She told him to tell the families we ARE praying for them and they are not alone or forgotten -- no matter what. Her e mail broke my heart. Please keep all in your prayers. Thanks
This came this morning... Just a few minutes ago I received the following text message on my phone from Sean Malone who leads Crisis Relief International (CRI). We then spoke briefly on the phone and I assured him that we would share this urgent prayer need with all of our contacts.
"We lost the city of Queragosh (Qaraqosh). It fell to ISIS and they are beheading children systematically. This is the city we have been smuggling food too. ISIS has pushed back Peshmerga (Kurdish forces) and is within 10 minutes of where our CRI team is working. Thousands more fled into the city of Erbil last night. The UN evacuated it's staff in Erbil. Our team is unmoved and will stay. Prayer cover needed!"
Please pray sincerely for the deliverance of the people of Northern Iraq from the terrible advancement of ISIS and its extreme Islamic goals for mass conversion or death for Christians across this region. May I plead with you not to ignore this email.
Do not forward it before you have prayed through it. Then send it to as many people as possible. Send it to friends and Christians you may know. Send it to your prayer group. Send it to your pastor and phone him/her to pray on Sunday during the service - making a special time of prayer for this. We need to stand in the gap for our fellow Christians.
Love, light and blessings
(name withheld)
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http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2014/august/isis-swallowing-iraq-theyre-beheading-children-/


and now,
Bring in the trolls.....

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The biggest problem with pro-life people
Sep 26, 2014 8:20AM PDT

is they don't care what happens to the kids after they're born.

Diana

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Inside info:
Sep 26, 2014 8:26AM PDT

The billboards in question are sponsored by the Roman Catholic Church, as Stevern no doubt knows.
You're closer to the truth than you think.

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(NT) what?!
Sep 26, 2014 9:36AM PDT
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Another sweeping generalization
Sep 26, 2014 8:37AM PDT

I'm not buying that one. You must hang out with a crowd far different from people I know.

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the biggest problem with anti-life abortionist
Sep 26, 2014 9:35AM PDT

is they have no regard for the life that grows within them, even BEFORE it is born.

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re
Sep 26, 2014 3:51PM PDT

ISIS makes me sick to my stomach ..if these blind religious sheep's have no respect for a life then i wish there god would strike lightning on there head , making each of them a particle of ash .

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Me too
Sep 26, 2014 11:44PM PDT

But I bet there were a lot of people during the 30 year war that felt the same way about the Protestants and Catholics.

Diana

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Catholic schools and orphanages are infamous for their
Sep 29, 2014 10:54AM PDT

ill-treatment of their charges, and for the sexual horrors inflicted on them.

By your logic, James, all Christian religions are equally guilty of abusing children. Even though not all or even a majority of Catholic institutions abused children. You cannot condemn an entire religion for the depraved actions of a minority.

Not that I expect you to understand that, or to embrace the truth of that statement. But it should be said anyway.

Oh, and the "trolling" is your own for so distorting the story and putting in a header which fails to acknowledge that ISIS has killed more Muslims, and more Muslim children, than it has Christians or Christian children. A header which so distorts reality as to make it Muslims against the whole world when it is in fact fanatics in the pursuit of dominance in a small corner of the world.

The movie Khartoum happens ot be on television this week. This was another instance of some looney Muslim self-annointed prophet (the Mahdi) butchering other Muslims and a British General in the Sudan in the later 19th Century. There have been Christian equivalents such as Witch Burnings, or the Burnings of Protestants or Catholics and various times. The entire "Irish Problem" is one of religious intolerance and a minority of the Catholic population embracing terrorism to further their own ends. Besides donations from the misguided in the US, how did the IRA fund their work? By kidnappings for ransom and robbing banks in the South of Ireland. In other words by victimizing their co-religionists to pursue a murderous campaign against the British Government. They also liked to assassinate the members of the Garda, the Irish Police force in the south, who were charged with preventing the IRA from conducting illegal business in the South. In other words, they didn't care about killing Catholics any more than fanatical Muslims care about killing Muslims.

Time for you to abandon your attempts to blame Muslims for everything wrong in the Universe, and recognize that the problem is far more complex than you like to acknowledge. You are demonizing a religious group for your own ends. That makes you no better than them.

Rob

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I have long stood against
Sep 29, 2014 3:20PM PDT

a Celibate priesthood and any women other than what the bible teaches as permitted which is older widows serving in the church, which Catholics call "nuns" for some reason.

"Catholic schools and orphanages are infamous for their ill-treatment of their charges, and for the sexual horrors inflicted on them."

You comparing that to Muslims beheading children? I also didn't see Christians cheering in the street when such crimes were revealed either. I did see Muslims cheering in the streets on 9-11. Try as you might, you can not whitewash the Muslims by pointing to some Christian anomalies. There is NO balance between them. However, I have no objection to them leaving back to a Muslim country, since that's what they seem to desire.

" which fails to acknowledge that ISIS has killed more Muslims, and more Muslim children, than it has Christians or Christian children."

Oh, then that must make them better because they kill those of their own also. What a weird way of thinking.

"Besides donations from the misguided in the US, how did the IRA fund their work? By kidnappings for ransom and robbing banks in the South of Ireland. In other words by victimizing their co-religionists to pursue a murderous campaign against the British Government. "

Are you claiming these were priests and nuns?! Regular attended Mass did they? Your slanders are outrageous, resented by me and I'm not even Catholic.

"Time for you to abandon your attempts to blame Muslims for everything wrong in the Universe, and recognize that the problem is far more complex than you like to acknowledge. You are demonizing a religious group for your own ends. That makes you no better than them."

Oh, I don't blame them for anything other than what they both say, teach, and do. I blame them for the lies they tell which have bamboozled the simple minded. I am better than them, I don't do those things, and glad I am that you will not be my judge in the Last Day. I may be one of yours though. Shocked

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The Irish thing
Sep 29, 2014 6:40PM PDT

was more about sovereignty and less about religion. I've read that part of the English plan to subdue the Irish peoples was to take away anything in their traditions, practices and heritage that was dear to them. It would appear that the Irish tightly embraced the form of Christianity brought to them and were not wanting to lose it. I remember reading that many Irish traditions were banned by law and they weren't about to let those go easily.

One story, be it true or not, about Irish step dancing is that keeping the torso rigid and arms close to the body prevented kept their dancing below window height. There are other examples of attempts to maintain sovereignty and loyalty to one's own choice of king. You may have heard of the Jacobite underground and their very artistic ways of displaying their loyalty to king James and the Stewarts while hiding it from English Hanovers (?...could be wrong here) and such.

Even today we hear murmurings of how to either use or abuse religion in an attempt to subjugate.

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Thanks for the good precis
Sep 30, 2014 5:38AM PDT

of Irish history. All true, AFAIK. (Don't know about the step dancing, except that out here real men don't line dance.)
But it has nothing to do with the 'orphanages' now under discussion. They were operated by a freely operating RCC in the modern era. And the abuse was on nominally Catholic children, not 'revenge agains the Brits'.

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RE: you will not be my judge in the Last Day.
Sep 29, 2014 8:55PM PDT
you will not be my judge in the Last Day. I may be one of yours though

Perhaps you should wait until that day.

I think you mentioned that possibility before...would you be already there? Would Rob have to checkOUT with you before leaving planet earth? IF you weren't already there and arrived after Rob...would you get him from the place you think he is headed and then send him back?
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Humor?
Sep 30, 2014 8:14AM PDT
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Saw a cartoon about the 76 virgins
Sep 30, 2014 9:53AM PDT

When OBL showed up, there were 76 nuns standing there.

Another was 76 Virginians.

Diana

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Go away you sad little man
Sep 30, 2014 10:27AM PDT

And take your religious prejudices with you. There are roughly 1.5-2 BILLION muslims in the world. Every single Islamic terrorist in the entire world is not even a drop in the bucket. Most muslims live an ordinary life. Rednecks like you should take a look in the mirror sometime, because you're a lot closer to ISIS than the average muslim is. You claim to be Christian, yet don't actually follow the teachings of Christ who taught a philosophy of peace, forgiveness and accepting those different from you. He said things like, "Hate the sin, love the sinner" and "If someone should strike you on the cheek, turn the other one" which conveniently get forgotten by ignorant fools like you. Like ISIS, you have perverted what you claim to believe in to suit your own prejudices.

I say this as a non-believer in any religion. Show me proof or shut up and leave me alone. For all we know the Norse had it right and we should all be wary of Thor striking us down with a thunderbolt. However, there is a lot to be said for Judeo-Chrsitian-Islamic philosophy (strip out all the superstitious nonsense about a divine being/creator) for how to be a good person. If more people followed the actual teachings of the founders of their chosen religion, the world would be a significantly better place.

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don't quote Jesus
Sep 30, 2014 11:12AM PDT

until you can do it accurately.

He said things like, "Hate the sin, love the sinner"

Jesus never uttered that phrase. Come back when you've learned a bit more. Now we know it is actually you who are "ignorant".

" If more people followed the actual teachings of the founders of their chosen religion, the world would be a significantly better place."

Which futher reveals your own ignorance since all "religions" are NOT the same, and ones like Islam that believes in taxing other religious groups to support Islam, who teach a death sentence for their followers if any convert away, because Islam is too weak to stand by any means other than threats of beheadings, torture and death.

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Sounds like old style Christianity
Oct 1, 2014 1:11AM PDT

Even in this country before the Revolution, people were killed for being witches and taxed to support to local church. And let's look at all the religious wars that Christianity started because one group didn't believe exactly as they did.

Shall we look at England during the reigns of dear old Henry and Bloody Mary and Elizabeth. Remember Tyndale who was burned at the stake for just wanting to translate the Bible into the common language? Remember the Crusades?

Christianity has had just as bloody a history as the Muslims and still does in parts of the world.

There are a lot of "Christians" in the US that would love to be able to pass laws to kill everyone that is gay or has ever had an abortion or doesn't believe their brand of Christianity. Even the N.F.L. is getting into it when they penalized the player that got a touchdown and went down to thank Allah. Notice they don't penalize Tebow for doing the same thing.

Diana

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Terrible
Apr 24, 2015 10:41AM PDT

That happend all over Iraq before they even covered it on the news. They covered it, but they did not mention the word Christian. You know, the U.S. - needs to be stopped, Libya was wonderful, it really was, if you got sick, and they couldn't fix you, they would fly you to another country and pay for your surgery, that applied to every citizen. Now, this isn't hate on America, but your leaders go to Westpoint, they emulate Hannibal's was on a thousand different terrains and they know if the price of a kilo of rice raises by 5 cents how it will effect Isis's popularity.

I'm saying they know that when you leave a power vaccuum, the greatest tyrants rise to power, that's how Hitler came to power. They knew what they were doing when they made Isis, when they did Mexico, the drone striken in Yemen, and now your troops are in Northern Peru and in Colombia there are 50 something rape cases against U.S. soldiers.

The American war machine, is designed like any other industry, it has to continue, it must be fed. We call it corruption, we don't have a word for lobbying. Hey Mr. Congressman, vote to "save the children" and if you don't get re-elected; you've got a job with us for 10 years at 50k a year as a "consultant" and you don't need to come to work by the way.

And that is American politics...........

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I'm all in favor of bringing the troops home
Apr 25, 2015 3:55AM PDT

You are correct the war profiteers drive the war machine. My approach was we should arm everyone there, let them work it out themselves, give the people a chance to defend themselves, even if it means air dropping easily concealed handguns with 100 rounds each into villages. That way the people can decide if they want to seek peace with each other, or murder each other, but everyone will have a chance to defend themselves. We are wasting our time, our resources, our soldiers and our tax money in a place that's not worth an ounce of spit to us.

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RE: in a place that's not worth an ounce of spit to us.
Apr 25, 2015 6:04AM PDT

even if you want the resources?

and you don't want them attacking your allies?

And you don't want them developing nuclear weapons?