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Is US media Un-American or just plain stupid?

by hh / October 10, 2005 10:46 AM PDT
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(NT) (NT) In the case of SeeBS, yes.
by Paul C / October 10, 2005 10:57 AM PDT
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(NT) (NT) Well, SeeBS does See BS!
by caktus / October 11, 2005 11:51 AM PDT
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One man's opinion.
by xerpor / October 10, 2005 11:50 AM PDT

I'm glad that Elian is happy and doing so well.

As for the reason the mother left Cuba, it may not have been any of the ones stated.

At any rate here is different version. It's always good to get at least two views to look at



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Anyone with half a brain can see through
by hh / October 10, 2005 12:07 PM PDT
In reply to: One man's opinion.

the propaganda machine of Fidel Castro. I am surprised CBS took the bait and is playing along. No wonder the mainstream media is losing all its credibility.

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Castro's propaganda machine??
by xerpor / October 10, 2005 12:29 PM PDT

Yeah, like Mr. Bush doesn't have a propaganda machine! In his case you don't even need half a brain to see it. Every leader has a propaganda machine. You didn't know that?

Definitions of propaganda

* information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause

* Propaganda is a specific type of message presentation aimed at serving an agenda. At its root, the denotation of propaganda is 'to propagate (actively spread) a philosophy or point of view'. The most common use of the term (historically) is in political contexts; in particular to refer to certain efforts sponsored by governments or political groups.

* (joint) Any form of communication in support of national objectives designed to influence the opinions, emotions, attitudes, or behavior of any group in order to benefit the sponsor, either directly or indirectly. (JP 1-02)

* Any media text which seeks openly to persuade an audience of the validity of particular beliefs.

* The promotion of specific ideas or views, often political in nature.


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I wonder what they would do to reporters who want to tell
by hh / October 10, 2005 12:41 PM PDT

the truth. You really think that reporting from Cuba is as free as here or anywhere in the Western world? You think news media can freely criticize the government there and some poor reporter will not 'dissapear'?
Come on, you surely don't believe this. You don't see the whole "staged" story CBS did?

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The "Rescue" of Jessica Lynch
by xerpor / October 10, 2005 12:48 PM PDT

The Pentagon's control over the news surrounding the capture and rescue of Pfc. Jessica Lynch receives a good deal of attention in Gardiner's report. "From the very beginning it was called an 'ambush'," Gardiner noted. But, he pointed out, "If you drive a convoy into enemy lines, turn around and drive back, it's not an ambush. Military officers who are very careful about how they talk about operations would normally not be sloppy about describing this kind of event," Gardiner complained. "This un-military kind of talk is one of the reasons I began doing this research."

One of the things that struck Gardiner as revealing was the fact that, as Newsweek reported: "as soon as Lynch was in the air, [the Joint Operations Center] phoned Jim Wilkinson, the top civilian communications aide to CENTCOM Gen. Tommy Franks."

It struck Gardiner as inexplicable that the first call after Lynch's rescue would go to the Director of Strategic Communications, the White House's top representative on the ground.

On the morning of April 3, the Pentagon began leaking information on Lynch's rescue that sought to establish Lynch as "America's new Rambo." The Washington Post repeated the story it received from the Pentagon: that Lynch "sustained multiple gunshot wounds" and fought fiercely and shot several enemy soldier... firing her weapon until she ran out of ammunition."

Lynch's family confused the issue by telling the press that their daughter had not sustained any bullet wounds. Lynch's parents subsequently refused to talk to the press, explaining that they had been "told not to talk about it." (Weeks later, the truth emerged. Lynch was neither stabbed nor shot. She was apparently injured while falling from her vehicle.)

Rumsfeld and Gen. Myers let the story stand during an April 3 press conference although both had been fully briefed on Lynch's true condition.

"Again, we see the pattern," Gardiner observed. "When the story on the street supports the message, it will be left there by a non-answer. The message is more important than the truth. Even Central Command kept the story alive by not giving out details."

Gardiner saw another break with procedure. The information on the rescue that was released to the Post "would have been very highly classified" and should have been closely guarded. Instead, it was used as a tool to market the war. "This was a major pattern from the beginning of the marketing campaign throughout the war," Gardiner wrote. "It was okay to release classified information if it supported the message."


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But the truth came out didn't it?
by EdH / October 10, 2005 12:53 PM PDT

And no one was killed or imprisoned for reporting the truth, were they?

See the difference?

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Hey, EdH ...
by xerpor / October 10, 2005 1:25 PM PDT

The point is people tend to use the word Propaganda like it was a dirty word. The fact is propaganda has been around from day one and is employed by all countries, including the United States in addition to organizations, corporations, schools, churches, parents ... you name it.

Whether it's "good" or "bad" propaganda depends on what side you're on of course. As I said, I'm glad that Elian is happy and doing so well.

And speaking of employ, I now have to go to the airport and pick up an employee. Thanks for adding to the discussion.


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I never denied there was propaganda on both sides
by EdH / October 11, 2005 5:55 AM PDT
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But here you can discuss it and dispute it. In other places if you do that they will imprison you or kill you. Do you deny that Castro does this?

I'm glad Elian is doing well, too, IF HE IS. At any rate it doesn't matter too much. Soon Castro will be dead and his Revolution with him. The day is fast approaching when the only people who believe in socialism will be the brain dead lefties living in the West.

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There's your agenda. It makes all the difference in under-
by Kiddpeat / October 10, 2005 1:01 PM PDT

standing where you are coming from.

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US media (hundreds if not thousands of outlets) can't be
by Ziks511 / October 10, 2005 4:58 PM PDT

that bad since this article appeared in the supposedly unredeemably Liberal Boston Globe.

Sadly TV news has descended to the level of Entertainment Tonight. That CBS wants to make a celebrity of Elian Gonzalez and then use him to pump their ratings is as disgusting as the Cuban use of him as a propaganda tool, or the Rightwing in the US using him as a stick to beat Clinton and Janet Reno with. There oughta be a law regarding the employment of underage celebrities by large corporations.


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To paraphrase someone or other...
by EdH / October 11, 2005 12:46 AM PDT
I gave my enemies a stick and they beat me with it.

Should anyone have ignored the heavy-handed actions of Reno and Clinton?
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Should anyone have ignored the heavy-handed actions of Reno
by xerpor / October 11, 2005 7:18 AM PDT

and Clinton?

Why not, they're ignoring Mr. Bush's.


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Such as...
by EdH / October 11, 2005 8:45 AM PDT

When have ATF troops burst into a provate home with automatic weapons and siezed a child under Bush? Whan has Bush done anything like Waco?

Get real.

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(NT) (NT) such as???
by Mark5019 / October 11, 2005 8:55 AM PDT
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Welcome to Speakeasy!
by Dan McC / October 10, 2005 11:59 PM PDT



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(NT) (NT) Thank you. I enjoy reading all the comments.
by hh / October 11, 2005 3:47 AM PDT
In reply to: Welcome to Speakeasy!
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A very one-sided view of an even-handed report, HH.
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / October 11, 2005 5:23 AM PDT

I saw the report, and it made it clear that Elian was being used by the government as a propaganda tool. But it was also a very interesting answer to the "whatever happend to..." question that occurs to a lot of folks when they hear his name. So the answer is, NEITHER!

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(NT) (NT) Both!
by caktus / October 11, 2005 11:48 AM PDT
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Funny you should ask...
by C1ay / October 11, 2005 12:38 PM PDT

As os this posting the headline at CNN reads "Inteligence officials assess 'chilling' Al Qaeda letter". IMO, the media is unamerican and unintelligent.

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