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Is this a real PHD??

Jul 26, 2007 7:41AM PDT

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Maybe.....
Jul 26, 2007 8:16AM PDT

...... he returned to college and earned his Masters, then began work on his Doctorate. It has been 35 years since "he left his studies".

I admit I've never even heard of the gentleman. So I don't know how long his stardom lasted, or if he is still performing.

I can't make a comment about the subject for his thesis because I know nothing about astrophysics. Happy

Angeline
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It's this easy
Jul 26, 2007 8:26AM PDT
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It's "astrophysics" that's the Ph.D., and it's real.
Jul 26, 2007 4:05PM PDT

"Radial Velocities in the Zodiacal Dust Cloud"
has to do with the astronomer's zodiac, not the astrologer's. It's a sort of shorthand for everything we see up there with the naked eye; our "local" galactic neighborhood. There is a dust cloud, and it spins, like everything else, but with its own local vectors. Our guy says he learned more about the speeds of rotation, and now has to convince a jury of Ph.D.'s that he did so. If he does, he gets a Doctorate also, as well as a mantra, a secret handshake, and a key to the faculty washroom. Happy

Maybe he'll come to NM for his post-Doc studies at the Very Large Array near Socorro.
The plural "velocities" means that different parts have different speeds (which I think is true). That sort of thing intrigues these guys.

Laugh all you want; he's doing better than Freddy is.

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You might need a legitimate...
Jul 26, 2007 7:03PM PDT

...Baccalaureate and a Masters degree to qualify. You have those?

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Yes, it is real -- very real
Jul 27, 2007 3:58PM PDT

I seem to sense a degree of bias, and even more misunderstanding in this thread.

First, there is no disconnect between music ? even rock ? and science. As a matter of fact, a number of the nuclear scientists on the Manhattan Project were also very accomplished musicians. In the 1940?s, and especially for the Europeans, it was mainly classical, with a sprinkling of Big Band and Jazz; but in today?s world, Rock is a legitimate art form. Also, no scientist in the 40?s would have quit to pursue a music career, even if it did pay more ? there was a war on. Later, at least one person did change ? Tom Lehrer became well known for his music/comedy/political satire routines.

Some who do not understand the title of a scientific work, or immediately identify with it, seem to assume it must be fake or junk. Wrong ? it must be judged in context, and in particular, where it was published. Something in the New York Times might well be suspect. However, Brian May has co-authored two scientific papers; one published in Nature ? one of the most prestigious scientific journals in the world ? and one published in the Monthly Notations of the Royal Astronomy Society. These alone establish a standing in the scientific community. The results of his Doctoral work will, no doubt, be published in an equally prestigious journal.

Angelina supposed that Brian went back to school and got a Masters and PhD. In fact, he was already in the doctoral program at the Imperial C0llege of London when he dropped out (temporarily, but a long temporarily) to make his millions. He then went back to complete what he had already started. Also, both Angelina and Jack assume that a Masters degree is a prerequisite to a PhD. Not so. I have a BA and PhD, but no Masters. Why? Because I could shave six months to a year off of graduate school if I did not take time to write and defend a Master?s thesis. Some schools automatically grant an MS or MA degree if a student completes so many additional hours of graduate study, whether or not they eventually qualify for a PhD. Not so for my school in the 50?s ? no thesis, no Masters. But I had enough self-confidence to go for broke; to go directly for the PhD. Had I failed, I would have had only my original BA ? but I did not fail. Whether or not Brian has a Masters degree, or even a Baccalaureate for that matter, is of no real concern now; he has a PhD from a highly respected school, and that is all that counts. If you think this is a meaningless degree, then you probably also think the Silver Star or the Navy Cross is little different than the Good Conduct Medal.

I doff my hat (mortarboard?) to Brian for successfully returning to science after about 30 years. My hiatus, due to WWII and my commitment to remain for a while as a civilian with the AEC after Truman dissolved the Manhattan Project, was only six years, and I was working in science during that period. Still, it took some effort to get back into the academic life. During Brian?s hiatus, astrophysical data, ideas, and theories changed drastically. For him to return and continue his work means that he kept up with the science through reading the scientific journals all those years. This I consider a tremendous achievement on his part.

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Hi, El Alquimista !
Jul 28, 2007 12:56AM PDT

Some colleges and universities have been offering Bridge programs of study from one BS/BA major to different Masters major course of study. There are also those that offer BS/MS in the same major "at one sitting", so to speak. To be honest, I had not heard of a bridge from Bachelor to Doctorate.

A family member bridged from BS in one area of study to MS in another, but the university did not offer a PHD option except on a continuing graduate education basis as is common. I also know of a couple of people who just stayed in school until they had completed heir PHD requirement. In the case of my family member, an MS is a requirement for advancement in the field , and work has begun on the PHD.

Thus I don't know from a persona standpoint how many seats of learning offer shorten the time spent from Freshman to PHD.

When I finished high school in 1950, there were not many educational options such as bridge programs available, as I recall, and even fewer in my field of study (professional nursing). Today there is no really a simple PHD in Nursing, but the PHDs reflect an emphasis, such as "in Nursing Education, or Management, or Adult Health" , etc. One thing I have noticed (at least in the area in which I live) the disappearance of what were called "teacher's" colleges that drew students who wanted to be teachers.

Some fields require "Continuing Education". (Mine does.) So it's considered necessary and important to keep current.

I admire anyone who is open to learning.

Angeline
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Hear! Hear!
Jul 28, 2007 8:51AM PDT

I'm reminded that another English institution of science had members of the clergy as Fellows including a couple named Newton and Priestly. Happy

BTW pretty sure you meant this, vice "Astronomy Society":
The Royal Astronomical Society (RAS), founded in 1820, encourages and promotes the study of astronomy, solar-system science, geophysics and closely related branches of science ... Membership (styled Fellowship) consists of primarily professional astronomers and geophysicists, based in the UK and elsewhere, with a significant number of students, advanced amateur astronomers, and others with an interest in the geo- and astro-sciences. (Fellowship is open to any person over the age of eighteen whose application is acceptable to the Society.)

http://www.ras.org.uk/

I noticed also that my ask.com search for RAS had a side reference to Caroline Herschel. So there, Philistines! (we could tell 'em).

How's that lead-into-gold thing coming? Be sure to keep us informed ...

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Speaking of PhDs
Aug 1, 2007 10:35AM PDT
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And a post-Doc from Georgetown ain't bad either.
Aug 1, 2007 12:50PM PDT

Maybe he can bring peace on earth. My roving troops haven't yet brought back good news from the Pope.